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GoodOlDawg
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You’re right in saying that most of us commenters on DawgNation along with the UGA-friendly channels on YT are convinced that Coach Bobo deserves this chance at OC. But more importantly, Coach Smart is convinced that he deserves it. He was convinced last year when he brought him on board for this very purpose.
No one knows for sure exactly what’s going to happen, just like no one knew exactly what would happen when Coach Coley took over or when Coach Monken was brought in. We do know that Coach Monken is no longer with the program, and CKS didn’t blink an eye when the time came to implement his plan for succession. I believe that if there was any doubt in his mind, we would have seen a different plan. UGA doesn’t have to settle for less now, and I don’t think that has happened. I’m no expert in evaluating coaching talent, but I’ll bet that Coach Bobo is a lot better now than he was 15 years ago, just like Coach Monken has proven that he is definitely better than he was 15 years ago.
GO DAWGS!
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HondaDawg
✭ Freshman
Have to say this but numbers don't lie. Third down efficiency matters in the SEC.
Check out these stats from 2019 under James Coley. (While your at it, check out Bobo's best years in '07,'12 and '14)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/stat/downs/season/2019
The recruiting argument for the lack of talent under Richt/Bobo goes out the window. We had plenty of talent in '19.
The lack of production is what can happen if you don't play unpredictable offense. Bobo became very predictable in his tenure and must adapt.
A tel tale sign of regression will be a lack of consistent pre snap motion & a lack of throwing to the RBs when opposing Ds load the box.
In layman's terms, if your offense sucks and is predictable, things like 3rd down conversions go into the toilet.
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reddawg1
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So, by most accounts on here, and by other UGA channels on YT, Bobo's offense(scoring points average)while he was at UGA was accomplished with basically no talent to work with. A shamble for an offensive line that couldn't block a soul and having to outscore opposing offenses that our defenses couldn't stop. Basically any losses where we didn't score even 20 points or plays that didn't work were not his fault. It's all about the Jimmy's ad Joe's? Is that what I'm hearing? I think I've heard that before, somewhere.
THe concensus on here is: better talent to work with, a better defense that will limit the need to score as many points in most cases, he's worked with Monken for a year or more, he's seen how Monken runs his practices. He's collaborated with Monken on some stuff. He knows he's coming into a great situation and doesn't want to muff this up, he's a UGA guy,a great recruiter and I'm sure I left some more stuff out. Oh yeh, the players will have continuity with the past system (he's not changing the terminology). He's a great OC, the obvious choice! A no-brainer!
Or in other words, no excuses.
Now Get-R-Done!
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MobileDawg
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Best post I've seen in a while, and accurate. Long before Richt was gone you could see the culture progressively deteriorating. When Richt came to Athens he was a breath of fresh air, the coaches before him were adequate but unable to reach the top. Does anyone else see that the first few years of Richt's tenure were "generally" his best with the exception of 2012? IMO that was because of the talent Donnan left along with the "Junkyard Dawg" culture cultivated under Dooley and Russell.
Smart has taken the Dawgs to a height no other coach ever has. Bobo is stepping into a situation with talent galore in a culture that's hungry. It's hard to see a situation where Mike Bobo doesn't succeed.
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GoodOlDawg
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I am convinced that Coach Monken was elevated to another level in the last three years because of the opportunity that he had at UGA. He is a fantastic OC, and will probably excel in the NFL with noticeably more success than he did prior to his experience at UGA in the CKS program. Just as the UGA football program (and culture) can elevate talented players to their highest potential, I believe it can do the same for talented coaches.
The same can happen for Coach Bobo. This article compares statistics between the two, but there’s more. Both have been in the buisness for many years. Both have less than stellar achievements prior to joining the CKS coaching staff. Coach Monken had a load of Dawg talent to work with on the Offensive Unit, Coach Bobo has never had near this much talent to work with coming into the 2023 season. Coach Monken had the luxury of two of the best Defensive Units in UGA history, Coach Bobo could be playing with (on Saturdays), and facing the best UGA defense in history on “bloody Tuesdays”.
This UGA Offense will be ready to go, and a joy to watch. Even if it’s not the “Monken offense”, it will be the UGA offense that’s more than capable of carving up Gator, Tiger, Vol, Gamecock, Wildcat and Rebel defenses with savage pleasure!
GO DAWGS!
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plrdawg
✭✭✭ Junior
Coach Kirby Smart: 2 Nattys in a row. Let him pick his O.C. Who he thinks is best, he's got the pick of the country.. ****
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street0123
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I think Bobo is the best pick OC right now. He had a year under Monken and had produced strong offenses against SEC competition, not every year with every team but enough to prove he could do. Kirby isn't an offensive guy, and it took him a few seasons and a few different OC's to finally come up with Monken. Bobo had a year to study Monken and Kirby probably knew that Monken wasn't long for UGA as he had no ties to the program, so hiring Bobo as an analysist last season was potentially a genius move. If Bobo comes through with a strong offensive season for UGA.
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ColumbusDawg
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So you are saying Kirby just got it wrong? And just when did you win your last back2back Nattys?
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ColumbusDawg
✭✭✭✭ Senior
Lots of other factors involved on offense and defense than what you mention. A long list like O-Line, the nice list of top Heisman candidate quality running backs, how good the UGA defense was and trying to keep the ball away from the other team and, what Richt told Bobo to call with the lead(remember Richt groomed Bobo from day 1 and was still his mentor and boss responsible for it all and in control). The list goes on but putting all, and in some cases any, of what you say that is all on Bobo is just not close to accurate.
Especially in the big game part. That is on Richt, the offensive head coach who was Bobo's mentor from day 1 and Richt for the team not having the killer instinct and mindset needed. And the UGA defenses who gave up so many yards and points in big games during Bobo's tenure, although they had playmakers and made big plays from time-to-time.
So is Bobo responsible when his entire coaching career was under his offensive, former offensive coordinator and QB head coach who had final say on everything and helped or did come up with game plans and what to call in what situations, as far as run or to pass, heck matter of fact, when did Richt finally give up play-calling and let Bobo do it? I know it was not Bobo year 1 as OC!
So bottomline is all of the big games where UGA didn't show up for or the play-calling in situations is not all on Bobo. Most all of it might not have been. Defenses and O-lines not being great, not Bobo. And... if he does not do a good job or good enough job, he will be gone. Like Coley.
Imagination call always be better though and hopefully he got some of that from Monken. That is what coaching is, learning from all of the other coaches you work with along the way. Too bad he didn't get any time under Spurrier!
Another year under Monken would have been optimum and I thought he was going to, until the Ravens had to go with Monken. And they were very smart to do so. Two current fairly young but about now washed up QB's best and only good seasons came under Monken. Mayfield and Winston were actually impressive with him but atrocious without him... If Monken has Jackson, watch out.
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Gibroni88
✭✭✭✭ Senior
Why on earth would you not give Bobo’s nationally ranked offensive stats from 2007-2010?
hmmm?
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We all know why!?
your article holds zero merit when you cherry-pick like this. That’s the same exact thing all of the corporate media has been doing for decades= leave a clear bias to support only one point of view instead of having any resemblance of objectivity or balance.
How about add a teeny bit of validity and a little integrity to this article and put the 2009 season ranks in there? Or, better yet, the awesome 2010 season when UGA ended up with UCF in that awesome Bowl game in Memphis with the highly-praised Aaron Murray as the starting QB?!
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keetl21
✭ Freshman
Who would Bobo's critics prefer as OC? I'm not intending to be confrontational. I would really be interested to know.
As far as judging Bobo, there is just so much that's different with the Dawgs between 2014 and now, talent, mentality, facilities.
If we take Monken's previous programs and compare with Bobo's, what can we conclude?
How about Buster Faulkner, that would have been much better!!
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keetl21
✭ Freshman
Stop trying to compare Monken to Bobo, TM won two Natty's in three years, Bobo has zero.
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UGA66
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I'm late....back in the Bobo/Richt era, I can recall agonizing over Bobo's QB sneaks.....arrrrrghhh. Always losing the bigger games....it seemed. I would pound my fists on the table...wooden... Richt, get rid of that bozo. Finally, I just quit watching...my hands got sore. That was then..
Fast forward and I see a new and improved Bobo (Monken liked Mike) that had been under the watchful gaze of then OC Todd Monken. I also see Kirby Smart holding Bobo's feet to the fire to continue winning on the ground and in the air. The bar has been set...Monken/Smart set it. Bobo must maintain the momentum. Must. He knows it. I expect good things in 2023. You will see more ground game for sure but I believe Bobo will air it out as well. This is not 10 years ago. UGA is elite in most all areas....IMO. Bobo has evolved ...you will see, commensurately.
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navydawg
✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
That’s what I’m asking to. I don’t mean to be confrontational. And certainly people are entitled to their opinions. But we’re also entitled to offer rebuttals to opinions as well. I haven’t heard one single name dropped that would be a Viable alternative. Of course hiring Bobo has a certain amount of risk. I readily admit that. And Yes I remember very clearly how he’d get fixated on plays not working in his First gig as an OC. But since that First time as OC he hasn’t had much of any talent to work with. And the talent he had when he was at UGA before pales in comparison to what’s here now. And just as I remember the frustrating negatives of his fixations, I Also remember him calling some Excellent plays. I think Bobo has the ability to self reflect and see his mistakes. I just don’t think Kirby would have hired him friendship or not if he didn’t honestly think he could do the job. I mean Kirby wants the program to win, plus he wants to maintain his own legacy as a winner. And wouldn’t a newcomer from outside the program probably go through a some what slow start in their first year as they make the transition ?? Even Monken did in his first year. NO ONE can absolutely guarantee success in the first year after losing a Critical to the program Coach. But just familiarity alone I would think would give Bobo an edge. And even if he gets to acting like his previous days with the fixation problems, I think we can be assured that Kirby will be chewing his backside screaming That ain’t working !! Fix it !! I don’t see Kirby kicking back in a recliner and letting ANY Coach on staff cost him games !! So until Bobo actually costs us a game where it’s primarily His fault, I think the worry is premature and not well grounded.
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Loranwhaddayagot
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This is great! Georgia's OLs in the Richt years were NOT CLOSE to what we have now! That is a complete game changer right there.
At first, I was hoping for an NFL OC like Joe Brady...if we could have even gotten him or someone like him.
But, really, 2023 recruits are set and with the talent we have, I think Bobo will put on a show! Bobo is a recruiter and he would only be hurting himself if he didn't show off plays for recruits.
Bobo's hands were tied at Rburn and he still had some good schemes that didn't work because of a lack of talent.
The more I see about Bobo, the happier I am about this!
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GBAL
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BoBo had slightly better PPG his last 3 years at UGA VS last 3 with Monken….. also UGA gave up 9.5 more PPG on D in those Bobo years than monkens 3. I feel the best choice was made and I have heard no other recommendations as a better pick from the handful of doubters.
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Oldddawg76
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Who would Bobo's critics prefer as OC? I'm not intending to be confrontational. I would really be interested to know.
As far as judging Bobo, there is just so much that's different with the Dawgs between 2014 and now, talent, mentality, facilities.
If we take Monken's previous programs and compare with Bobo's, what can we conclude?
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truthteller
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@Thadec, Another insightful post without slinging mud. Good job Amigo. Go Dawgs!!! - BubbaBill
@BubbaBill - Seriously dude? I almost spit my coke when I saw this. Aren't you the one who can't let an MG article pass without slinging something at him? Ridiculous. You should take your backhanded compliment and shove it right into the mirror.
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navydawg
✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Wow !! @thadec I wish I could vote up on your comment Twice !! I think that was a Fair and Accurate assessment on your part. Bobo is well known in UGA circles. He knows the recruiting trail very well. He’s shown he’s very good at grooming QBs, as he himself was a QB at UGA. He’s already been at UGA for a year now as an analyst, where he by Monken’s own words drew up some of the plays, in particular Red Zone plays where teams traditionally struggle as compared to the rest of the field. His son is a player at UGA and no father wants to be embarrassed in front of his son. So Who could Kirby have hired that could come in brand new and guarantee success in the first year ? We could all speculate that to death. ANY new hire to a Important position is a risk. Yes hiring Bobo has an element of risk. But no more so than hiring an outsider in my opinion. Because of the background I just referenced, maybe Less risk with Bobo. I see you get it !! Thx for your comment !!
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BubbaBill
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@Thadec,
Another insightful post without slinging mud. Good job Amigo. Go Dawgs!!!
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navydawg
✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Montana that is a very fair take on your part. So your willing to give Bobo a chance. That’s fair enough. Just want to add something that you and other fans already know but make a little emphasis on it. Monken strikes me as a very straight forward dude. He says what he means, and means what he says. He doesn’t seem to be one for buttering people’s bread just for the sake of it. HE Said that Bobo drew up some of the plays. In particular Red Zone plays. Traditionally this is where many Offenses tend to struggle. So I don’t believe Monken would have even mentioned that if he had not had a certain amount of Faith in Bobo. And that would certainly include Kirby. So when we saw Some of the plays that worked really well and we were yelling and cheering Boy that Monken is a genius ain’t he ??!!! Could it be that at least Some of those plays ( by Monken’s on words) could be credited to Mike Bobo ?? And lastly my Big question to people who are shocked and angry that Bobo was named OC, WHO Is the OC out there that For A Fact is Available and could come into a brand new ( to them) program and Guarantee success ?? Even Monken got off to a slow start his first year as compared to his last two. Which to me is normal for a brand new guy. I feel sort of bad for Bobo in a way, because be assured every single mistake he makes will be highlited by Some and the references to his previous time will be shouted. I wonder if they will notice when he makes a Excellent play call as he Did in the past ?? No here could have been Any More frustrated with Mike about the hand off up the middle stuff than my wife and I. But I just Believe over the course of Nine years, people Can and Do change to the positive. On my own job I got Far better at it by my Ninth year and ironically the job I had provided more and better resources as that time passed. That’s what’s happening with Mike. I’m all for giving him the chance. And IF he doesn’t get it done I Trust that Kirby will replace him. I feel that’s fair enough.
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99nout
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Unfortunately that was one of the worst written articles on a site famous for poor writing. The amount of simple grammar mistakes and repetitive lines was saddening. None of my English or Journalism profs would have allowed this back in my day at UGA.
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navydawg
✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Excellent Read Connor !! Thank You !! Stetson Bennett improved considerably from 2021 to 2022. I Believe that Mike Bobo can improve after Nine years removed from UGA. His time at SC and Auburn are pretty much meaningless as he had Nothing to work with. And Colorado St. Lol ?? Right !! That was a really loaded Offensive Powerhouse he had to work with there. 🙄 Bobo has Never had Even Vaguely close to the talent to work with that he will now. And looking at the stats provided by Connor it shows that Bobo ( and Coach Richt) did pretty well on the O with the talent they had. I’m So Glad that UGA rolled out the red carpet and Big $$ for Kirby. That is Not sarcasm on my part. But the Truth is Bobo and Richt Never had even close to the resources that UGA finally decided to give to Kirby when he came in. Which in turn attracted More and Higher level recruits. Player Talent most definitely has a Huge role in success. Speaking of success, Kirby has now brought Two back to back Ntl. Titles to UGA. Yet Some Dawgs fans seem to think ( I believe very wrongly) that Kirby hired Bobo solely based on friendship big LOL !! NO ONE loves to win more than Kirby !! He’s not about to sacrifice his legacy and his winning record just for “friendship”. In his younger days, yeah maybe. But NO not now that he’s a seasoned HC. So that tells me that Really those that are upset dont Really trust Kirby. See the Stetson Bennett story as connected to Kirby. And apparently those same people think that Coach Monken was Lying when he said Bobo drew up allot of the plays, in particular Red Zone plays. That’s where most Offenses tend to struggle. So that tells me that Both Kirby and Monken had faith in Mike Bobo. So where does that leave us ? Can Kirby Guarantee fans that Bobo will bring Total Offensive success ?? NO. Can I Guarantee that Bobo will bring Total Offensive success ?? NO. Did Monken have Total Offensive success his first year at UGA ?? NO. So if any fans know of a Readily Available O Coach that can Guarantee Total Offensive Success why don’t you call Kirby Smart ( the HC you don’t Really trust) and clue him in, maybe he’ll demote Mike back to analyst so he can draw up more plays for the New guy. Look Everything in life is a risk. But I Trust that Kirby set aside friendship and had many deep conversations with and Really evaluated Mike Bobo before he made this decision. I also Believe that Kirby thought about who might be available Out There to replace Monken. And ultimately his best decision was Mike Bobo. I feel sort of sorry for Mike in a way as Some base everything on his work from Nine years ago. I wonder if those same folks are as critical of Themselves on Their jobs ??
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thadec
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Tom_Bomadil:
Monken won them because he had better players. Richt/Bobo rarely won big games because Richt/Bobo rarely (or more accurately never, especially after Jim Donnan's recruits left Athens) had elite talent at OL and DT. UGA had 15 draft picks in last year's draft. That was as many as Richt had in some 3 year stretches. UGA had 5 first round picks last year. Richt had 0 first round picks in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2012 (with only 1 in 2011 and 2 in 2009). There were 2 in 2013, but 2014 had only a couple of 5th round picks. Not an anomaly. In 2007, none in the first 2 rounds even. 2008? None in the first 4. 2010? See 2007.
You mention UGA losing leads? That wasn't due to "conservatism." It was because UGA lacked depth. Also, defenses are responsible for holding leads anyway. But UGA never consistently had a top defense under Richt after 2003. If anything, Bobo's offenses at UGA overachieved. And by the way, if you think that the SEC is tougher now than it was back in the late 2000s then you really aren't being serious. Until UGA won their back-to-back titles, the past 10 years in the SEC had been Alabama and everybody else. Clemson was more likely to beat Alabama in a game that really mattered than any SEC team. Meanwhile in the Richt era, you did have Alabama winning titles, but you also had LSU (under 2 coaches), Florida and Auburn (1 title, 2 undefeated seasons) winning them too.
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GBAL
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I think the majority of Uga fan base already recognizes an appreciates Bobo’s offensive acumen. As always, a few critical naysayers does not represent the majority of fans. Great choice. Planned ahead. I ask again to the naysayers….Who would you have picked?
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Tom_Bomadil
✭✭✭ Junior
It seems every statistic is there but the one that counts. Bobo lost most of the important games. Monken won them. I did not see any stats on third down plays, or more importantly, plays when the game was on the line. If the game was close and Georgia had a slight lead, Bobo went ultra conservative. It was run the ball three times up the middle and punt. Subsequently, that is a major reason Richt/Bobo rarely won the big games. No imagination.
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GoodtimeDawg
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JEFF'S COLUMN ON GEORGIA TOUGHNESS WOULD NOT ALLOW COMMENTS, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A FEW POINTS ABOUT IT HERE.
Dang, Jeff - Thanks for lifting the curtain back on the way Georgia conducts it's practices when no one is looking - a real eye opener that explains so much when talking about how tough and resilient these dawgs are. Wow, brings me back to the Ohio State game. theOSU was playing over their heads - while the dawgs were just doing what they do. No doubt that was the toughest game the buckeyes had played all year. Much respect to them for hanging in there and almost winning it, but Georgia just did what it always does - land one more blow that the other guy. Speaking of "landing blows" - Georgia seems to get a bad rap for unncessary roughness on defense - other teams complain that the dawgs knock out their QBs or WRs (like the hit Bullard put on the OSU WR.) But there is no malice in it at all - this is the way Georgia practices and it naturally manifests itself on gameday. Erik Russell would be so proud of his "junkyard dawgs"! GO DAWGS!
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MontanaDawg
✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Thanks for the stats Connor, but looking at numbers for Bobo from 2011-2014 is comparing apples and oranges to how offenses have been run over the last few years. You might as well throw those stats out the door.
Everything has changed. Comparing Bobo's offensive numbers to Monken over the last 2 years in total yards and yards per play is very revealing. Monken blows the doors off Bobo especially when comparing the much harder opponents that the Dawgs faced. But, you also have to look at the level of talent that Bobo had to work with at South Carolina and Auburn compared to Monken's elite talent at Georgia. Monken got the job done with better talent against some much harder competition.
Like I said before, I am a bit skeptical about Bobo. He was a safe hire, but I don't know if he was the right hire. BUT, I am hopeful and will give him a free pass this season. I know he is a great recruiter and many players love playing for him. He's a good coach. So, all that is a positive. And I know he's learned a lot from Monken. My hope is that he is able to incorporate his own style in the offense with some of Monken's attacking, aggressive influence. We still need to remain the hunter.
