How do we match up with Clemson?

DawgNutDawgNut Posts: 433 ✭✭✭ Junior

After watching their throttling of Bama I started wondering how badly they would have beaten us this year. We have somewhat caught up to Bama and have had 2 chances to beat them but I'm not sure about Clemson. I definitely underestimated their prowess all season and expected them to lose a game somewhere and then definitely lose in the playoffs. I assumed Lawrence would have a freshmen stumble against a great defense but he looked near perfect in that game. The entire team looked dominant in just about every phase.

I don't know what they are losing defensively but looks like most of their offensive firepower will be back. It will be nice when we are able to dominate on offense and at each level of the defense the way they did. Seems like we are always just a little lacking in one or two areas of the defense. Last year and some of this year the secondary overall (not including Baker) was underperforming and this year the D-line and LB's had their struggles. It has been stated many times on this forum that QB pressure is not that important but as I watched Clemson's D-line harass Tua all night I couldn't help but chuckle. They got in his head and he couldn't find an answer.

Doesn't look like they are going anywhere anytime soon so a play-off matchup seems to be eminent.

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  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    The question for me would have been how well could we handle their D-Line. Clemson absolutely brought their A-game that night as well. Who knows on another night.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Really good actually. Clemsons biggest advantage over us is coaching which I think is worth 4-7 points per game. 2018 Georgia vs 2018 Clemson in a best of 7 with everyone at full health? I say Clemson wins the series 4 games to 2. Next year it'll b a lot more even I'd say it goes 7 and would b anybodys game in game7. Probably give Clemson the nod based on Lawrence and the HANDS DOWN best coaching staff in America. Clemson 4-3. Good news. We would only have to beat them once.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Any given Saturday. I like our chances

  • brentwilsonbrentwilson Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:
    The question for me would have been how well could we handle their D-Line. Clemson absolutely brought their A-game that night as well. Who knows on another night.

    considering they're losing pretty much the entire 2-deep at d line id say we could handle it

  • VALDOSTADAWGVALDOSTADAWG Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Name a matchup with two better names than Kirby vs. Dabo

  • SaltDawg1515SaltDawg1515 Posts: 51 ✭✭ Sophomore

    @DawgNut said:
    After watching their throttling of Bama I started wondering how badly they would have beaten us this year. We have somewhat caught up to Bama and have had 2 chances to beat them but I'm not sure about Clemson. I definitely underestimated their prowess all season and expected them to lose a game somewhere and then definitely lose in the playoffs. I assumed Lawrence would have a freshmen stumble against a great defense but he looked near perfect in that game. The entire team looked dominant in just about every phase.

    I don't know what they are losing defensively but looks like most of their offensive firepower will be back. It will be nice when we are able to dominate on offense and at each level of the defense the way they did. Seems like we are always just a little lacking in one or two areas of the defense. Last year and some of this year the secondary overall (not including Baker) was underperforming and this year the D-line and LB's had their struggles. It has been stated many times on this forum that QB pressure is not that important but as I watched Clemson's D-line harass Tua all night I couldn't help but chuckle. They got in his head and he couldn't find an answer.

    Doesn't look like they are going anywhere anytime soon so a play-off matchup seems to be eminent.

    Umm, our OL has a ways to go yet, as well.

  • ThelordjohnsonThelordjohnson Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Obviously next year would have the be the bar. If broken down by positions it'd go...
    QB - Draw. Despite Lawrence winning the NCG he did get "saved" by those incredible WRs. Fromm also has thrown up two duds this season which is a worry. If we go off depth they're better but I think thisbis the one spot that we just judge the starter.
    RB - Draw. Both have good starters un Etienne and Swift after that good guys that arent proven-proven. I'd love to give UGA the edge with depth but Cook, White, and Mac are basically as unproven as the Clenson depth
    WR - Clemson. Not only would it have been in their favor without the loss of Mecole and Ridley but they added another 2 6'4 WR in Ladson and Ngata. UGA right now is alot of potential whereas Clemson has basically three guys who are going in the first two rounds.
    TE - UGA. Better techniques and options. seeing Goede off the crutches after a month bodes well for depth as well.
    OL - UGA. This is strictly on depth
    Coaching is great on both sides as well as recruiting on both sides.
    DL - Clemson. For now based off for the last few years they've been consistently putting out players. I do like UGAs versatile options but I think the 4 top freshmen they signed and Pinckney will do very good after a ysar of training.
    OLB - UGA. This is where the difference in defensive schemes matters. Clemson runs a 4-3 and UGA has so many options at this spot it is ridiculous. Clemson will be young here as well as UGA so its unknown but Ive seen more flashes from Cox, Azeez, and Anderson to verify the belief.
    ILB - UGA. Again a scheme matter. Clemson will have a guy who has sat for 4 years playing whereas UGA will habe a rotation of various styles.
    CB - Draw. UGA has sneaky good prospects in Campbell, TS, and Stokes (maybe even Elam). But right now Terrell and any combination of the three UGA misses Booth, McMichael, and Terrell mentioned earlier. I think both will be young and tested for the season.
    S - Draw. Clemson will hae twonseniors where UGA will have Reed the best prospect of the four and the guy who could be the best player of the four if he wrapped up.
    ST - Draw. UGA has the better specialist where Clemson has the better Returners.
    Coaching - Clemson. Next season will be Dabo's 10th year coaching but 16th in Clemson. He has set his base up. Kirby is on fire but he can get out maneuvered here or there. UGA also has no OC (which will probably be the same style with some more excitement added) or DC (wont change much. But Dabo has Venables and the Co-coordinators that work together. Gotta give them the edge.

    Heads up I think UGA can give them a run for their money! Clemson isn't unbeatable they are just smart and play their roles.

  • innercityinnercity Posts: 17 ✭ Freshman

    UGA plays so well against Alabama because they save their best effort for Alabama. The game means more to UGA than it does to Alabama. It is like Alabama is UGA's whole season but to Alabama it is just another game. Sure, it was the NCG last year and the SECCG this year but Alabama would have had the same motivation and effort regardless because it wasn't a rivalry game to them the way Tennessee, Auburn and LSU are. That is the only way you can explain UGA only scoring 27 against Auburn and giving up 21 to Georgia Tech. It also explains the 20 point loss to LSU and losing to Texas. Georgia didn't care as much about those teams and probably doesn't match up against them as well either.

    So I think Clemson would be more of the same because Georgia wouldn't bring the effort against Clemson that they bring against Alabama, and they might even just assume they'll beat Clemson. Georgia doesn't match up as well as they do against the Tide. While Alabama has fast players, Clemson is built for speed from the ground up to run the spread with great WRs, smaller and fast elusive running backs instead of bigger power runners with some breakaway speed in the open field that Alabama and UGA uses and they hardly use the TE at all.

    And on defense, Clemson runs a 4-6. I don't think that anyone in the SEC uses the 4-6 anymore. Maybe Florida did under Jim McElwain because Randy Shannon was his coordinator and Shannon was a 4-6 guy at Miami. But even if anyone else in the SEC did, they wouldn't have the talent for that scheme that Clemson does because really only Alabama, UGA and LSU have similar talent to LSU these days with Florida, Tennessee and Auburn being down. Alabama and LSU use 3 man fronts just like UGA, and by the way so do Tennessee, Florida and Auburn anyway which shows that everyone in the SEC is really following Saban because the only SEC team that UGA played this year that ran a 4 man front was Missouri. Alabama, LSU, Kentucky, Florida, Vanderbilt, South Carolina and Auburn all had 3 man fronts. With a 3-4 and a true 4-3 defense you have a mixture of power and speed because you have really big guys at 2 of the 3 DT spots and 1, maybe 2 of the LB spots. But ina 4-6 none of the front 7 guys are very big, but all are quick and athletic. Clemson's DEs are 260 and 270 with the backups 255 and 260. The DTs - there is no NT in this defense whose role is to draw double teams to free LBs and DEs - are 312, 305, 300 and 280. Alabama's experienced OL had real trouble with guys who were so fast and athletic while also being big and strong, and UGA's OL isn't nearly as experienced. Clemson's LBs aren't that great because the 4-6 LBs are just guys, especially the OLBs, but they are as fast as safeties and are cleanup guys who fly to the ball to chase down whoever gets past the DL, and are also fast enough to chase down WRs from behind, plus LBs blitz a lot in the 4-6, unlike the 4-3 where the goal is to create pressure without blitzing if you can. Clemson's secondary is merely good, not great, but it is better than Alabama's, who got roasted for 300 yards in 3 consecutive games.

    Add it all up and I think that Clemson's spread offense gives UGA as many problems as Oklahoma's did last year (54-48 remember!) or even more so because UGA lost a lot of good players off last year's defense, and Clemson is better at WR and RB and just as good at OL as Clemson was, but maybe not quite as good at QB as a senior Heisman winner. And Clemson's 4-6 scheme on defense would give UGA just as much trouble as it did Alabama. Maybe even more because Alabama's OL is better than UGA's. Maybe Clemson doesn't beat UGA 44-16 because I don't think Fromm turns it over like that ... Fromm doesn't throw a pick 6 nor does he throw deep downfield into coverage when the team offensie is driving to score and causes a long INT return that sets up a short field for another Clemson TD. But Clemson likely beats UGA by 14 because UGA's OL would have real trouble opening up running lanes for Swift and Holyfield against their front 7 and while Fromm wouldn't have as many turnovers as Tua he wouldn't throw for more yards either.

  • MacDawg15MacDawg15 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @brentwilson said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    The question for me would have been how well could we handle their D-Line. Clemson absolutely brought their A-game that night as well. Who knows on another night.

    considering they're losing pretty much the entire 2-deep at d line id say we could handle it

    This is the reason they throttled Bama. The guys on that 2 deep front 7 that could have left last year for the draft came back SPECIFICALLY for that game. Hard to put together such a talented group of soon to be Sunday guys and roll em in all game long. They will be good again next year no doubt; but the Dline won't be as salty or deep.

  • brentwilsonbrentwilson Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @MacDawg15 said:

    @brentwilson said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    The question for me would have been how well could we handle their D-Line. Clemson absolutely brought their A-game that night as well. Who knows on another night.

    considering they're losing pretty much the entire 2-deep at d line id say we could handle it

    This is the reason they throttled Bama. The guys on that 2 deep front 7 that could have left last year for the draft came back SPECIFICALLY for that game. Hard to put together such a talented group of soon to be Sunday guys and roll em in all game long. They will be good again next year no doubt; but the Dline won't be as salty or deep.

    game is won in the trenches. it's tough to replace first string let alone the 2 deep guys

  • MacDawg15MacDawg15 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @brentwilson said:

    @MacDawg15 said:

    @brentwilson said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    The question for me would have been how well could we handle their D-Line. Clemson absolutely brought their A-game that night as well. Who knows on another night.

    considering they're losing pretty much the entire 2-deep at d line id say we could handle it

    This is the reason they throttled Bama. The guys on that 2 deep front 7 that could have left last year for the draft came back SPECIFICALLY for that game. Hard to put together such a talented group of soon to be Sunday guys and roll em in all game long. They will be good again next year no doubt; but the Dline won't be as salty or deep.

    game is won in the trenches. it's tough to replace first string let alone the 2 deep guys

    Amen and amen brother

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 11,127 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I picked Clemson to win the title back last spring before Lawrence had thrown a pass in practice.
    It was their defensive front 7 that made me like their chances. They lose most of those guys though, so I think they'll be a notch below where they were this season in 2019.

  • RSDawgRSDawg Posts: 39 ✭✭ Sophomore

    @MeR3htid said:
    Really good actually. Clemsons biggest advantage over us is coaching which I think is worth 4-7 points per per game...Probably give Clemson the nod based on Lawrence and the HANDS DOWN best coaching staff in America.

    Amazing that this great coaching staff was throttled by Mark Richt and Mike Bobo only a little more than 4 years ago. They've sure learned a lot since then.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Yeah, glad u c 👀 things my way. 😎😎😎

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