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1SICemDAWGS1
Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Several articles I've read, show LSU making a strong push to sign Manning. Seems he has a great relationship with Brian Kelly, no idea why. Never know about a High School kid until they actually sign the NLI. #1 recruit last year flipped from a D1 school (Florida State) to Jackson State. So, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Manning ended up at LSU or a school not even in the race at this point.
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Tripp
Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
It has occurred to me but that wasn’t the base content of my post. No doubt Kirby is going with the guy he thinks gives the Dawgs the best chance and I do not disagree. To clear up the base content of my previous post, it was about the negative results of an unusual 6th season could cause. Not about the abilities of Beck or Vandagriff. I subscribe to “ trust the coach, he the one that sees them every day.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Insightful take UGADad20. Makes you wonder.
If Arch is THAT talented, his Dad, Uncles and Grandfather have the resources to send him to literally any high school in the Nation. IMG, De Lasalle or any number of College Football prep High Schools that recruit and cater to top college prospects and play a challenging schedule. Why did they send him to a small 1A school that plays inferior talent on a small stage?
Were they trying to juice up his ranking and reputation? Or, is it simply, that they wanted him to enjoy his time in High School and be near his family and friends he grew up with. They've also got the resources to give him personal guidance and training. That won't be clear until he gets on the SEC stage. It will be apparent, soon enough. I can tell you from personal experience, being home with family and friends is important to overall development. I had to go to school in another County and commute on weekends, due to the High School in my County not having football. I missed out on a lot, back home. So, I support that 100%, if that's why he went to that school.
Also, don't forget, Herschel Walker went to a small school, too.... Wrightsville, Ga.. So, it's not an indictment...just a question.
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UGADad20
Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
No debating the QB talent possessed in the Manning family. The QB position skillset has evolved since Archie, Peyton and Eli were drafted. The entire game of football has evolved. Is the Manning skillset still capable of excelling at the professional level? Good size and reported good speed and arm. And Arch is the most advanced Manning in understanding the QB position at this age.
BUT is he the #1 rated HS player on name and potential? Rating HS players is very subjective. Arch's HS has 1000 students from 1st -12th grades. Is the level of competition that Arch is shining against the equivalent of Georgia 7A HS 9th grade team? If you put Arch's IN HS up against Lonergan and Brookwood would Manning get embarrassed and Lonergan looks like Elway? I find it very interesting that Gunner Stockton dropped 138 spots in the final Rivals ratings because Rabun Co HS is 1A. Isadore Newman has fewer HS students than Rabun Co. Yet Arch has that #1 ranking locked up. Arch should develop into a solid CFB player. The biggest advantage to getting him may be in the recruiting boost he will bring with him.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
How exactly, is it not the same thing? That could've been precisely what he was talking about, when he said that. Only speculation knows for sure. Monkin was flirting with moving back to the NFL at the time.
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SmartsTheMan
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I'm saying I think the only reason why Manning wouldn't come to Georgia is if he had no guarantee of who his OC would be, and if he knows it would be Monken, then Georgia has a great chance. Not the same as Bennett at all.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Did it ever occur to anybody, Beck and BVG may never reach the lofty reaches everyone has ascribed to them? I say,, in 2022, go with what we know...Bennett. Personally, from what I've seen, I think he's going to shock 'some people', this year and possibly in the 2023 draft. I think we've been watching the growth of another Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray and 2022 will be his masterpiece.
2023 and '24 will work out. With or without, Beck, BVG, Manning or any other "maybe, might be, could be". The one thing Smart doesn't want to do, is sacrifice a whole season to find a potential QB...that could, in the end, transfer to another school for an NIL deal. There are NO guarantees anymore. In the words of George Allen, "the future is NOW".
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Tripp
Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
I’m a fan of Stetson but I do think this 6th will cause collateral damage to the QB room. If Kirby is able to main Beck, Vandagriff and Stockton on the roster going in to next season, I will be shocked. So hopefully we do get Manning because my guess is at least one if not 2 of the aforementioned will be gone. Just my opinion and hopefully a wrong one.
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DallasDawg
Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Pure and simple, if the kid is the #1 ranked high school player, I want him at UGA, regardless of his last name. And I'm not going to say, "he can come or not." No, Arch, I'd love to see you in the Red and Black. Reading between the lines of this article, it seems like Kirby & Co. still feel like they have a good shot at him, so they're keeping the room open. And until he up and signs with somebody else, I'm keeping hope alive. Go Dawgs!
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
You're saying, it depends on if he can trust what some of the staff tells him? Kinda like Bennett? Interesting.
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SmartsTheMan
Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
I say, go all in for Manning. If they don't get him, there will be two or more capable options with Beck -Vandergriff - Stockton on board. If one or less transfers, Georgia would be good even without signing a 2023 QB, which either way isn't going to happen.
I for one, think the Dawgs have a good shot of signing Manning. I think it all depends on what kind of guarantee they get from Monken on if he's willing to stay while Manning's in school. If Monken told them he'd stay, I think it would be Georgia.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
I really don't care if all 3 QBs decide not to leave rather than compete. If that happens, "see ya, wouldn't want to be ya". LOL
You can only play 1 QB at a time, although Mark Richt divided time between David Greene and D.J. Shockley between 2002-2004, that worked out pretty well for all concerned. Shockley eventually took over as starter when Greene moved on in the 2005 NFL Draft. Shockley was drafted the next year in 2006 after a successful RS season ending with an SECC.
The thing is, THAT, likely, will never happen again. At least as long as the Transfer Portal exists. On the other hand, because of the Transfer Portal, UGA will never have to sweat the QB room again...at least as long as Kirby Smart is HC.
So, come to UGA or don't...the Dawgs will be just fine with or without the Mannings. I'd prefer it be with, though.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
His Grandfather is Archie Manning. His Uncles are Payton and Eli. They run a QB development camp. Do you really think he's concerned about being developed or groomed for the NFL? Itching maybe they've got that part covered.
IMO, his family probably wants him to have a college experience that maybe they missed out on at Ole Miss and Tennessee. No National Championship or Heisman Trophy among 3 of the best QBs of their time. Although they did account for 4 Super Bowl wins.
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BigDawg61
Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
I agree. It'd be great if he chose UGA, but, it's not necessary. The Dawgs are about more than 1 player. He would have more to gain by coming to Athens, than UGA has to lose if he doesn't...and I think his Folks know that. That's why he will ultimately chose UGA this Summer.
Where would you rather be as an18-19 year old? Athens? Tuscaloosa? or anywhere in texas...except, maybe San Antonio? LOL
It's going to come down to some of the intangibles. The coaching and facilities at the other 2 schools are also 1st class.
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JimWallace
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If he wants to be a student/athlete at the University of Georgia and Kirby wants him I'm good with it.
If not, we're good.
Go, Dawgs!
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UGADad20
Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
I thought the same thing. The 3 underclassmen already in the room make another QB in this class more luxury than necessity. If you can get Arch you get him. Getting him means you lose at least 1 of the 3 already in the room. You may lose 1 any way it goes. It will be telling about the Manning family where Arch goes. Do they go for the stat's and the certainty of AL? I haven't heard any Manning say that they want Arch to throw on every down. Is the pro style offense of UGA better preparation for the NFL? Do they want Arch to be Saban's last QB (and just another cog in the machine)? Or do they go with the "family" that is UGA? Arch will be in the football business (NFL) soon enough. Do the Mannings want CFB to be a business (NFL) experience (AL) or a real college (UGA) experience? AL brought in 5 starters from the TP this off season. That is business at AL.
Follow Eli Holstein's recruitment. He is AL's back up plan. If he commits elsewhere, Arch to AL. If he commits to AL, Arch elsewhere. Same with Lonergan. AL has 2 QB recruits ahead of him. So he could still be in play for UGA if UGA misses on Arch.
When you (Arch) can go to any program in the country you don't go to VA or MS. You go where the talent is stacked and where you have a chance to win championships. The Mannings are an SEC family. UGA and AL seem like the best bets.
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CandlerPark
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Alabama would be the conventional favorite just because Alabama has a track record of developing three straight (by 2023, four) -- first or second round quarterbacks.
Given UGA's overall record in player development, however, Arch could differentiate based on other factors. Among them: the sense of "connection" Kirby has built among players and staff, our excellent OL, Athens and -- most of all -- the opportunity to become the defining quarterback of an ascendant program.
If not, no worries. We have three promising QBs already in the pipeline.
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ChewDawg
Posts: 124 ✭✭✭ Junior
That's the MO of a wise coach. Where would GA be without Kirby? Average at best, that's where GA would be without Kirby.
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reddawg1
Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
. So, Virginia is the new lead school? Former Clemson OC is their HC. THey avg. over 500 yards a game on offense. I think he wants to throw it around the yard. Not exactly Kirby's M.O. We'll see, not over til the fat lady sings.
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GoodtimeDawg
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Win, lose or Draw, we have some pretty good QBs for now. Hopefully, Arch choses UGA, but if not, we have some good guys waiting for their opportunity. GO DAWGS!
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MobileDawg
Posts: 347 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
You can have to much of a good thing. Dawgs are set either way but personally I would like to see a couple the guns we already have develop....
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Petesdawgs
Posts: 433 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
You are wrong-Manning is leaning towards Georgia and is pretty clear that he will probably end up at UGA.
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My_Dawg_Ryan
Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
I don't think he will come to UGA because we do have a pretty good QB room already, Arch seems to me the type of persons who wants to play from day one. Also Kirby has the track record for QB's of playing the most experienced player over the most talented, he only played freshman his first 2 years because he had too. I don't think we would have ever seen Fromm if Eason didn't get hurt.
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SnakeScott13
Posts: 182 ✭✭✭ Junior
Everyone can have their opinion and it makes for good humor most of the time . If he chooses Georgia it will be because of the city of Athens . The football differences are razor thin but the kid loves the town and that may help coach seal the deal .
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Hemingwey
Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Does Georgia really need another QB in next year’s class? The Dawgs seem to have a high quality, full room at this juncture… just keep those you have, coach them up, and get another supposed 5-star the year after. 🤷🏻♂️
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ColumbusDawg
Posts: 577 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
Did he tell you that? Must have been his dad then? I do not care if he does go there. Would be awesome for him to come to UGA. But UGA is loaded at QB and will be fine either way. I just want to know who your undisclosed source is? His Family? A Friend? A coach? A teammate? Another school? A reporter? Or just you? Since you know his decision and all before anyone else. Have you told Kirby this news?
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WildmanSlayer
Posts: 110 ✭✭✭ Junior
Rumors are just that, "Rumors", Kirby has two QBs that are high quality, and can afford to wait it out, if he doesn't get Arch, we will be find, but don't every count Kirby out, he always has a backup plan.
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UGA66
Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Manning is probably looking at the overall record and QB ratings at Bama....top gun Bryce Young of late. He sees Bama as a step higher than UGA in the QB room...just my initial take. May be wrong. But Bama does seem to be his landing site. He will likely decide later this summer or earlier. Rumors are out he has already chosen Bama.
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kirkhilles
Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
Where exactly is this definite news about Arch going to Bama? I'm not seeing it anywhere and I THINK it would be pretty big news.
Either way, I like this philosophy and honestly would prefer that we didn't get a single 4+ star QB in the 2023 class (other than Arch maybe) and give some space to develop.
This whole "get a whole bunch of great QBs and see where they land" doesn't seem to work well for us.
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Dawggy
Posts: 346 ✭✭✭ Junior
Maybe you should drop Kirby a note. He apparently hasn't heard the news about Bama lol.
