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It would be sort of I don’t really know what word to use, so I’ll say strange. To see Kirby, Muschamp, and Bobo on the sideline together, though more than apt Bobo would be up in the booth. Three ole Dawgs together. Wouldn’t it be utterly wild if Three ole Dawgs together won the Third National Championship in a row ?? Just a wild mental image I’m saying…….. Headlines Read: Three Amigos Win Third National Title !! OK just having a mental exercise. Whew with me only having two brain cells that was tiring !! I have one positive and one negative if they ever touch and spark each other out like jumper cables on a car it’s all over !! 😂
I certainly hope he stays. If he is making some reasonable requests in Kirby's office, I hope he will get at least some of them. I just wish he would make a decision for this year within the next couple of days so that Kirby can keep the machine running. Money doesn't seem to be the issue here. I'm not saying that there is a rift between hc and oc or anything like that, but Kirby demands a lot from his staff and himself and older coaches might not have that fire any longer. Recruiting some of these kids with an attitude would be sheer misery for me. Got to "show the love" sending a **** number of messages and making more calls than a teenage boy makes to his girlfriend. Visiting kids that probably wouldn't come to your if you paid them (oh wait, we are offering to pay them). Monken is a great coach and I really hope he stays, but either way it is decision time.
Only thing I can think of that he might not like is recruiting. Can't imagine why he would leave. Bobo might be a capable replacement. Hopefully, he has learned a good bit under Monken. Bobo did not do well as a HC. Nor Muschamp. Sam Pittman and Mel Tucker definitely have. Not everyone is HC material. Biggest worry is he does one year in Baltimore, realizes he made a mistake, and then slides into an OC position with Florida, Auburn, Bama.
He could fancy himself as a HC in the NFL. The road to that would be come in and turn stuff around and in year 2 or 3 you start getting offers like a Kyle Shannahan. He could be a HC in the NFL with a little luck if he landed the right opportunity in 3-4 years, if things went well. THen he's making the BIG money and he's a Big Deal. It's all about wht's his ultimate thing in life and what floats his boat. Doesn't sound like a college OC is truly his thing.
Thoughts on this angle. But scarcity creates higher prices in the market. So….. If you’re probably the top performing and highest paid OC in CFB the only real way to demand considerably more money is to create scarcity. Perhaps this is all a thing economical and do his agent can bargain for a larger raise. 2 nattys and one of the top performing & IMPROVED offenses in the nation certainly deserves some adjustment to compensation. Maybe it’s rose colored glasses but I hope he’s just giving himself negotiating power.
@Popeyethesailor and others:
Going from college to the NFL is a promotion. More prestige. Also, Monken has accomplished what he can on the college level as a coordinator (2 national titles ... nobody cares about the Broyles Award). Meanwhile in the NFL he can A. prove that he is capable as an OC at that level - something that his tenures in Tampa and Cleveland did not accomplish - and B. win a Super Bowl.
Another issue: if he wants to be a big time head coach. That likely isn't going to happen at the P5 college level, as the trend these days is to pass up veterans like Monken for guys in their early to mid-30s like Lincoln Riley (34 when Oklahoma hired him), Dan Lanning (35) and Ken Dillingham (32). It seems like they will only consider older guys if they already have head coaching experience which Monken doesn't really (3 years at Southern Miss going on 10 years ago). That Monken isn't known as an elite recruiter doesn't help either, as that is vital for getting a HC job in the SEC, and other conferences tend to shun hiring guys off SEC staffs because they prefer losing I guess.
So his best shot at being a HC at a major college program is to be a successful NFL offensive coordinator. That would put him in line to be hired as a Pac-12, Big 12, Big 10 or ACC head coach. And obviously it would make him a candidate to be an NFL head coach too.
I am really not getting all the angst here. Monken isn't a UGA alum. He isn't from the state and there is no indication that he was ever a Georgia fan. He is from Illinois. Went to college and got his coaching start in the midwest (Notre Dame and small schools) and then went to what I guess should be called the southwest (Louisana, Oklahoma, Mississippi). Before coming to UGA, his only jobs east of the Mississippi were NFL teams in Florida (Jacksonville WR coach, Tampa OC and neither for very long). I don't get where the notion that he was ever going to spend the rest of his career as a coordinator in Athens ever came from - or why he would - when he had never set foot in the place prior to 2020 (barring maybe Oklahoma or LSU having road games against UGA). Also, other than his first real coaching job at Eastern Michigan, Monken has never spent more than 4 years in one place and generally hasn't spent more than 2. And except for EMU and the Jacksonville WR coach job, the times when he did stick around for more than 2 years was when he got a promotion, which isn't going to happen in Athens. So all these efforts to contrive him into some "Dawg for life" and acting as if this is some betrayal - as if he is being disloyal somehow - makes no sense. By comparison, Kirby Smart was in Tuscaloosa a lot longer, his relationship with Saban was longer still, he is actually from the region (the next state over in fact) and would have gotten the Bama when Saban retired (which won't happen with the "9 years older than Kirby" Monken).
And, as I mentioned earlier, really do not see the big deal here. This whole "we need to keep Monken or it is back to Chaney/Coley/Bobo/McClendon" type of deal (though I argue that McClendon deserves a shot - though not necessarily in Athens right now - in a place where Will Muschamp isn't his head coach AND where he has better players to work with). Smart can hire another NFL guy just like he did Monken, or raid an OC from a lesser college program. And as UGA is on top of the college world right now, a lesser college program is basically everyone. Remember Joe Brady, the guy who everyone gave the credit for the LSU national title? Were Monken to leave, Kirby could introduce him as the next UGA OC a mere 16 hours later. Of course, Brady would leave to become the Texas A&M head coach 2 years later, but that is the nature of the game: if your college program is winning titles then your assistants are going to be a revolving door. It is a bigger problem when no one wants to hire your assistants, as was the case with Pete Golding and Alabama.
Well…. I guess this means we are moving on from CTM. The most logical selection is Bobo. What I’m hoping happens is this motivates Kirby to go get Hines now. I know it’s a long shot but hey, ya gotta dream big
@Vetdawg
If CKS wanted to hire Bobo, he would have done so when he hired Monken. Bobo was available: Colorado State had just fired him.
Now personally, I think that Bobo would be a good hire. His 2012 offense was record-setting and aside from Todd Gurley didn't have squat when it came to big time talent. Bobo could put in a pro-style offense that would be perfect for Carson Beck and - gasp! - would actually use all the 4 star tailbacks that UGA has recruited as ballcarriers, something that hasn't happened since D'Andre Swift's injury filled campaign in 2019. That UGA will have one of the better interior OLs in the country with Truss, Van Pran and Ratledge all NFL prospects in their 3rd or 4th year (plus Mims in his 3rd year at either RT or LT) would be ideal for Milton, Edwards and Robinson to have 3000 yards combined rushing, which would in turn open up play action for Bowers in the vertical game the way the Saints used to use Jimmy Graham and - though he is more Darnell Washington than Brock Bowers - the Patriots and Bucs once used Gronk. Both Beck and Vandagriff have the height and arm strength that SB IV lacked in order to actually run a traditional offense like that. And Bobo would stick around, as after his debacles at Colorado State as HC plus South Carolina and Auburn at OC, no one would be beating down the door to hire him. Bobo is even an underrated recruiter (better actually than Monken).
But why is Bobo the most logical selection? Joe Brady was the passing game coordinator for the LSU team that torched UGA - and to be fair pretty much everyone else - in 2019. Right now he is the Buffalo Bills' QB coach. If Monken leaves, Brady should be introduced as UGA's OC less than a day later IMHO.
Popeyethesalior, you make too much sense. I hope that scenario never happens. Either way, I believe CKS has developed a winning formula and can adapt like CNS no matter his assistance coaches. Go Dawgs!!
Monken says he likes to win more than the money. UGA offers more wins over the next decade than with the Bucs or Ravens. The $2 million he gets from UGA is 2x the average OC pay in the NFL. Why leave?
Supposedly Monken’s house is for sale…if he leaves, I’m with you about Brady!!
Please not Bobo
Anybody but Bobo
Harbaugh won’t turn Monken loose with the Offense like Kirby has, and UGA can double his pay, if need be. But if ego is the deal, just trying to get a Super Bowl ring? Well he’s as good as gone.
If Monken wants to coach prima donnas who make 10x what he makes, good luck.
Oh, some of you should think before typing. Mike Bobo is a DGD, who loves UGA. He has kids and a wife who love UGA. They can read! You should be ashamed for posting comments like some of these.
@thedec
good point about Brady, but how long would he stay if he did come in this scenario?
Bobo’s track record as an OC had UGA lighting up the scoreboards with mediocre talent compared to current roster.