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Georgia football winners and losers following Arch Manning commitment to Texas
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Georgia football winners and losers following Arch Manning commitment to Texas
The Arch Manning decision had some huge ramifications on the Georgia football program.
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I wonder if the Mannings weren't looking for a guarantee, like Fields got from Ohio St.
Did Texas tell Arch that he has the job next year, after their current QB moves on? Did Kirby tell the Mannings that no player gets gifted the position at UGA? Arch would have to earn it... I would rather have prospects who're willing to earn the privilege.
I am thrilled with Stockton. He is overlooked. If he doesn't get injured, got him through 2026. Many other players want to play with him. Can always get a transfer if the room gets thin with Bennett leaving. How much longer are yall going to be saying either Beck or Vandegriff are going to leave? Never thought Beck was going anywhere. That is how he is made. Beck might be starter before this season ends. If one does, its going to be OK. No panic needed. UGA will look much more attractive for a QB to come to in 2023 and 2024 and maybe 2025 too. The room is loaded with 4 starters. Not potential starters, but bonafide starters. UGA loser going after 5 star QB's? That is a huge stretch of a statement. Again, the room is LOADED right now and for at least 2 years, the starting job is locked down. Probably for 4 years. Do the math. QB recruits sure do. UGA is not losing. They are simply stocked full at the QB position. Supply and Demand, Connor.
So, how much did Texas pay Manning?
Truth is, Manning may have have not seen the field until Gunner used up his eligibility. Judging from the Barstool video, Arch was playing in a church league, while Gunner put up monster numbers in Big Boy Football in Georgia.
"Georgia recruits about as well as anybody. It also develops pretty well too, with the 15 2022 NFL Draft picks as evidence. Yet it seems Georgia doesn’t have the same sort of pull it does with elite quarterbacks prospects that it does with linebackers and tight ends."
Georgia doesn't do well because Smart does not know how to use the talent that has come his way. Another quote: "Even at the quarterback position, Georgia found success in landing big-time players such as Justin Fields, Jacob Eason and Brock Vandagriff." Yeah, Georgia landed those quarterbacks, and they never had a chance. Jake Fromm was made the starter, and Fields goes on to Ohio State to become a Heisman candidate, and a starter in the NFL. Where's Fromm? Warming a bench. Fields was never given a chance. Why commit to a school that is not going even give you and opportunity? Same with Eason. And now this year, because of all the emotional hysteria over Bennett's cinderella story, J.T. Daniels is sent packing. Georgia won in spite of Bennett, not because of him. I can remember Georgia losing important games in the past, and Bennett never came out to give Fields a chance. Compare that to Saban yanking Hurts in favor of Tagovailoa in the championship game. End of story.
Well Kirby has already proven that you don't need a 5 star wo win a Natty. What was SB? Did he even have a ranking? Surely that must gall Nick Saban that a QB that couldn't get a D-1 scholarship beat him. MAybe I'm misremembering about the scholarship thing.
I like the Sayin kid. If you haven't seen his video you need to watch it. He 's just a Junior this year too. He throws it as well as anyone I've seen at that age and he has great vision when flushed out of the pocket picking up his open receivers or covered it doesn't matter, he can put it where his guy is the only one who can get it while he's on the move.
Sigh.
Going to say this again. Maybe at some point the fanbase and the "media" that eggs them on will pay attention.
Now consider Steve Sarkisian. As a QB coach and head coach at USC he developed Carson Palmer (#1 overall pick, Heisman), Matt Leinart (#10 overall pick, Heisman) and Mark Sanchez (#5 overall pick) plus recruited Sam Darnold (#2 overall pick). As head coach at Washington he had Jake Locker (#8 overall pick). At Alabama he developed Tua Tagovaila, Mac Jones and signed Bryce Young (Heisman). That is 8 #1 picks and 3 Heismans since 2002. Plus his time coaching NFL Pro Bowler Matt Ryan as Falcons offensive coordinator.
So can anyone tell me why any QB who cares about his NFL future would pick Kirby Smart? Track record.
NFL QBs recruited/developed at LSU: zero. Because he is a defense coach.
NFL QBs coached at Miami: zero. Because he is a defense coach.
NFL QBs recruited/developed at Alabama: zero. Because he is a defense coach.
NFL QBs recruited/developed at UGA: Jake Fromm. 5th round pick and out of the NFL after 2 years. If you want to give Smart credit for Jacob Eason even though it was actually Richt who originally signed him, fine. Not very helpful: 4th round pick, released by the team that drafted him and is 3rd string in Seattle, who signed the hometown boy (both high school and at the University of Washington) as a PR move because they are going to be horrible this year.
Winning college titles does nothing for your NFL stock. The year after Deshaun Watson won a national title, he saw Mitch Trubisky, whose UNC team he dominated in the ACC, get taken 10 spots higher. And Pat Mahomes go 2 spots higher coming off a 5-7 season. Even better, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray went #1 overall in back-to-back seasons despite losing in the first round of the playoffs (Mayfield lost in the 1st round twice, including once to Watson). So anyone who thinks that elite QBs are clamoring to come to UGA to throw 2800 yards - the most any QB under Smart ever has - and be 3rd round picks at best is delusional.
Maybe NIL played a role in Manning choosing Texas over Alabama. But UGA? Not a chance. Manning was never coming to Georgia because there is no evidence that he would be a #1 pick in Athens no matter how good he is. If you want to recruit QBs like that or anything close in the future you need to root for Carson Beck to get the QB job as soon as possible. Only if Beck puts up big numbers - which no QB has under Smart - and gets drafted high - ditto - and changes the narrative will some truly big time QB give UGA a chance.
Let's be honest, there's only a few college coaches who have the knack or resume for consistently developing NFL QB's, you can count them on one hand who have been involved in more than 4-5. The question could be raised who did Sark get at any school he was at, that wouldn't have chosen that school if he hadn't been there? Wouldn't the golden boys of California HS's not have chosen USC anyway? Wasn't HUrts, Tua and Bryce going to Bama anyways? Jones transferred in but doubt it was because of Sark more than it being BAMA.
Check out who gets drafted in the 1st and 2nd round every year and you will see QB's from schools that there head coaches aren't QB gurus. MAny get drafted randomly from schools that never produce another one like that ever again. It's a bit of a crap shoot. I think Kirbys keeping UGA high in the rankings every year will bring in some of the best QB;s available. Will we recruit a guy that goes 1st round at some point? Who can say.
As a UGA fan I care more about the overall product as in winning percentage than did we produce a Matt Stafford. Compare CKS's winning percentage to Sarks. See which coach you'd rather have. I'll take Kirby for the win!
Not dealing with reality here buddy? Look: Alabama lost 7 of 11 starters on offense to the NFL - QB, RB, 2 WRs, 3 OL - and his offensive coordinator to Texas. Came into 2021 with a true sophomore dual threat QB needing to learn his 2nd pro style offense in as many years and a gaggle of inexperienced unproven guys at nearly every position but WR (Metchie) and LT (Neal). So, going 11-2 with a Sugar Bowl victory would have been considered a successful season. Even going 10-3 would have been acceptable so long as Young played well down the stretch.
Instead, Young has a record-setting Heisman season that doesn't fall apart until midway through the 4th quarter of the NCAA title game against a historically great defense. So tell me what is supposed to "gall" Nick Saban again? In a rebuilding year that no one expected them to contend for a title in the first place, if you think that Saban doesn't prefer losing to UGA in the title game to falling to Ole Miss and their future Panthers starting QB Matt Corral or to Auburn and their 5 star QB Patrick Nix during the regular season and not even making it to Atlanta in the first place then - again - choosing fantasy over reality there.
Simply put, this is a WIN for our QB room and therefore Georgia. The LAST thing we need are more QBs transferring.
I'm going to keep saying this - if you want to have a big passing game, then build your offense for a big passing game. Get all of those Elite WRs that Bama gets and have the formations to match. Otherwise, pick the QBs that pay the offense you've designed.
I still don't understand Arch's numbers. I get it's an apples/oranges, but compared to Vandagriff and Stockton they are pretty laughable. QB rating has gone down each year. Completion percentage is only 65%. Only 1,371 yards his Junior year. ****? Stockton had 4,100 yards, 55 TDs (to Manning's 17) and only 1 INT to Manning's 4.
I'm serious in that I would honestly like to know. Arch's numbers are no where close to what you'd expect from a "generational" perfect-score QB. What am I missing?
If you think it doesn't bother Saban that a guy that had 1. count them one D-1 scholarship offer to New Hampshire of all places that he put up 27 points on his team to beat them, then you are the one who needs a reality check "buddy" or you're just a BAMA troll so which one is it?
Couldnt agree more. Impressive guy who could really merge nicely with the current QB room (the younger ones, obviously), and maybe even take it to the next level with some development and strong WR recruiting in parallel
I'm no expert, but what would seem to be useful would be for the backups to get some more meaningful snaps in whatever games Georgia gets socked away early. It seems like the backups come in and hand off and the Dawgs punt. M'rite?