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  • JKFlyfishJKFlyfish Posts: 558 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Uncle Eddie is a fool. He forgot how much Gardner's comments cost the lizards last year. Hahaha

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  • JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2018


    I've noticed that many fans on the swampgas forum are turning their attention to the FSU rivalry.

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  • gdawg4lifegdawg4life Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

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  • orlandoorlando Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If CDM wants to beat Ga. his best chance ( and I don’t see it happening) will be this year. After that it’s cancel Christmas.

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  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JoelSidneyKelly said:

    I've noticed that many fans on the swampgas forum are turning their attention to the FSU rivalry.

    You sir are a winner in my book. I may have to save that as either my phone background or change logo.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    I didn't mean he only had 2 and 3 star talent, but just that it was the bulk of his hauls on the recruiting trail. There's a big difference in a bunch of 3 stars and going somewhere with mostly 4 stars is what I was getting at. And when you have more 2 stars than 5, that's not a recipe for winning, especially in the SEC west. Sorry, next time I'll break down every recruit, instead of generalizing the talent gap between MSU and Florida. My main point was that we don't know how he'll do with better players.

    2017 - fifteen 3 stars and two 2 stars (four 4 stars)
    2016 - seventeen 3 stars (two 4 stars, one 5 star)
    2015 - nineteen 3 star (seven 4 stars)
    2014 - fifteen 3 stars, two 2 stars (three 4 stars)
    2013 - fifteen 3 stars one 2 star (three 4 stars, one 5 star)

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  • gdawg4lifegdawg4life Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    I didn't mean he only had 2 and 3 star talent, but just that it was the bulk of his hauls on the recruiting trail. There's a big difference in a bunch of 3 stars and going somewhere with mostly 4 stars is what I was getting at. And when you have more 2 stars than 5, that's not a recipe for winning, especially in the SEC west. Sorry, next time I'll break down every recruit, instead of generalizing the talent gap between MSU and Florida. My main point was that we don't know how he'll do with better players.

    2017 - fifteen 3 stars and two 2 stars (four 4 stars)
    2016 - seventeen 3 stars (two 4 stars, one 5 star)
    2015 - nineteen 3 star (seven 4 stars)
    2014 - fifteen 3 stars, two 2 stars (three 4 stars)
    2013 - fifteen 3 stars one 2 star (three 4 stars, one 5 star)

    I'm pretty sure I said the larger portion of his players were 3 stars. But it isn't like he had no 4 star talent on the team (more than 2 stars).

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  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 2018

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    Concerning the stars - I heard a wise man once say a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. Or something like that.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    I didn't mean he only had 2 and 3 star talent, but just that it was the bulk of his hauls on the recruiting trail. There's a big difference in a bunch of 3 stars and going somewhere with mostly 4 stars is what I was getting at. And when you have more 2 stars than 5, that's not a recipe for winning, especially in the SEC west. Sorry, next time I'll break down every recruit, instead of generalizing the talent gap between MSU and Florida. My main point was that we don't know how he'll do with better players.

    2017 - fifteen 3 stars and two 2 stars (four 4 stars)
    2016 - seventeen 3 stars (two 4 stars, one 5 star)
    2015 - nineteen 3 star (seven 4 stars)
    2014 - fifteen 3 stars, two 2 stars (three 4 stars)
    2013 - fifteen 3 stars one 2 star (three 4 stars, one 5 star)

    I'm pretty sure I said the larger portion of his players were 3 stars. But it isn't like he had no 4 star talent on the team (more than 2 stars).

    Again, you’re missing the whole point. He now has a lot more talent. So we shall see what he does with it. MSU was happy to get a top 25 class, UF strives for top 5-10. Big difference. UF in a coaching transition year got the 14th ranked class this year. Not too bad all things considered.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JRT812 said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    Concerning the stars - I heard a wise man once say a squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Or something like that.

    A blind squirrel at that

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  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @JRT812 said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    Concerning the stars - I heard a wise man once say a squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Or something like that.

    A blind squirrel at that

    Thanks for the clarification and fixed my post. Hate to misquote Daniel.

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  • oldon42oldon42 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    I didn't mean he only had 2 and 3 star talent, but just that it was the bulk of his hauls on the recruiting trail. There's a big difference in a bunch of 3 stars and going somewhere with mostly 4 stars is what I was getting at. And when you have more 2 stars than 5, that's not a recipe for winning, especially in the SEC west. Sorry, next time I'll break down every recruit, instead of generalizing the talent gap between MSU and Florida. My main point was that we don't know how he'll do with better players.

    2017 - fifteen 3 stars and two 2 stars (four 4 stars)
    2016 - seventeen 3 stars (two 4 stars, one 5 star)
    2015 - nineteen 3 star (seven 4 stars)
    2014 - fifteen 3 stars, two 2 stars (three 4 stars)
    2013 - fifteen 3 stars one 2 star (three 4 stars, one 5 star)

    I'm pretty sure I said the larger portion of his players were 3 stars. But it isn't like he had no 4 star talent on the team (more than 2 stars).

    Again, you’re missing the whole point. He now has a lot more talent. So we shall see what he does with it. MSU was happy to get a top 25 class, UF strives for top 5-10. Big difference. UF in a coaching transition year got the 14th ranked class this year. Not too bad all things considered.

    Georgia was ranked 6 in 2016 with a coaching change. Not too bad all things considered with a coach that did not show up until after the national championship game.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @oldon42 said:

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @gdawg4life said:

    @Teddy said:

    @DawgsofWar said:
    Dan Mullen was a mediocre hire at Florida. Couldn't hack it as Miss State and now he's just going to suffer more at Florida. Kirby owns the entire SE in terms of recruiting and Mullen will have a hard time recruiting. He was 2-15 in terms of beating teams from the AP Top 25. He's going to drop games to USCe, Georgia, and TN every year. No SEC East Champions within three years means he's going to get the boot. Tough time to become a Florida coach IMO.

    To be fair, Mullen was working with 2 & 3 star talent at MSU. He'll have mostly 4, and some 5, star talent now. Although the east is on the rise, for the most part, competing in the west was much tougher during his tenure there. Especially when you're MSU, who has perennially been the worst team in the division. The fact that he got them to respectable shows solid coaching. I'm taking the wait and see approach, as to how he does with better players and "3rd & Grantham" on defense.

    Not quite true on what he was working with at Mississippi State. At least not as far as the 2 stars go. From 2009 through 2017, he had 2 five stars and 38 four stars stars. In the last 5 years he signed 2 five stars and 20 four stars. Yes, the larger portion were three stars though.

    He will definitely have more talent at Florida and I suspect that he will have them competitive sooner rather than later.

    I didn't mean he only had 2 and 3 star talent, but just that it was the bulk of his hauls on the recruiting trail. There's a big difference in a bunch of 3 stars and going somewhere with mostly 4 stars is what I was getting at. And when you have more 2 stars than 5, that's not a recipe for winning, especially in the SEC west. Sorry, next time I'll break down every recruit, instead of generalizing the talent gap between MSU and Florida. My main point was that we don't know how he'll do with better players.

    2017 - fifteen 3 stars and two 2 stars (four 4 stars)
    2016 - seventeen 3 stars (two 4 stars, one 5 star)
    2015 - nineteen 3 star (seven 4 stars)
    2014 - fifteen 3 stars, two 2 stars (three 4 stars)
    2013 - fifteen 3 stars one 2 star (three 4 stars, one 5 star)

    I'm pretty sure I said the larger portion of his players were 3 stars. But it isn't like he had no 4 star talent on the team (more than 2 stars).

    Again, you’re missing the whole point. He now has a lot more talent. So we shall see what he does with it. MSU was happy to get a top 25 class, UF strives for top 5-10. Big difference. UF in a coaching transition year got the 14th ranked class this year. Not too bad all things considered.

    Georgia was ranked 6 in 2016 with a coaching change. Not too bad all things considered with a coach that did not show up until after the national championship game.

    Georgia also wasn’t coming off a 4-7 season in 2016.

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  • oldon42oldon42 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    Georgia was ranked 6 in 2016 with a coaching change. Not too bad all things considered with a coach that did not show up until after the national championship game.

    Georgia also wasn’t coming off a 4-7 season in 2016.

    In 2015 coming of a SEC east championship and a 10-4 record Florida was #11 in recruiting Georgia was 10–3 and #6 in recruiting.
    In 2016 coming of a SEC east championship and a 9-4 record Florida was #11 in recruiting Georgia was 8-5 and #3 in recruiting.
    In 2017 coming of a 4-7 record Florida was #14 in recruiting Georgia was 13-2 and #1 in recruiting.

    Do you see the pattern Florida is going down and Georgia is going up. This is not going to change until Florida starts recruiting better. If you are going to compete with the Georgia's, Ohio State's, USC's Clemson's and Alabama's you must recruit with them. That was what was wrong with CMR and that is what CKS changed.

    Florida is not even beating out Florida State and that is their long term problem. Along with the fact the Miami has pulled even in recruiting.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @oldon42 said:

    @Teddy said:

    Georgia was ranked 6 in 2016 with a coaching change. Not too bad all things considered with a coach that did not show up until after the national championship game.

    Georgia also wasn’t coming off a 4-7 season in 2016.

    In 2015 coming of a SEC east championship and a 10-4 record Florida was #11 in recruiting Georgia was 10–3 and #6 in recruiting.
    In 2016 coming of a SEC east championship and a 9-4 record Florida was #11 in recruiting Georgia was 8-5 and #3 in recruiting.
    In 2017 coming of a 4-7 record Florida was #14 in recruiting Georgia was 13-2 and #1 in recruiting.

    Do you see the pattern Florida is going down and Georgia is going up. This is not going to change until Florida starts recruiting better. If you are going to compete with the Georgia's, Ohio State's, USC's Clemson's and Alabama's you must recruit with them. That was what was wrong with CMR and that is what CKS changed.

    Florida is not even beating out Florida State and that is their long term problem. Along with the fact the Miami has pulled even in recruiting.

    Again, you’re missing my whole original point, Mullen has a lot more talent than he did at MSU. Not saying that’ll translate into East titles or anything. Just that we don’t know what will happen yet.

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