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OSU Investigation report....

MinnesotaDawg

I just read through the investigation report. Frankly, it is incredible that Meyer is not fired. Several times, the report explicitly doubts Meyer's (and his wife's) truthfulness when it comes to their statements regarding (1) what they knew about the 2009 incident, including Meyer's claim that she recanted the allegations--even Zach Smith himself denies this recant meeting and (2) how much the Meyers knew and the amount of information they shared with each other in 2015. Shelly Meyer claims she told Urban nothing about the texts, pictures, etc. and also states that she didn't believe Courtney Smith. The investigators seem doubtful...

Not surprisingly, almost all of the Meyers' statements/positions are unsupported by evidence and are completely self-serving.

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MinnesotaDawg

Oh, and apparently in advance pending investigation, Meyer and an assistant discussed in detail how to delete all text messages older than a year. When reviewing Urban's texts, investigators found that all text messages over a year were, in fact, deleted. Good look for an honest guy.

DobroMattInOz

It's not incredible when you consider the "independent investigators" think we're **** enough to buy the lie that they didn't think Urban lied to the media. Kangaroo investigative team?

MinnesotaDawg

@DobroMattInOz said:
It's not incredible when you consider the "independent investigators" think we're **** enough to buy the lie that they didn't think Urban lied to the media. Kangaroo investigative team?

I know. The conclusion to the report seems like a bad edit to get to desired result....

Although (1) we doubt a bunch of his self-serving statements, (2) found a bunch of inconsistencies, (3) looks like he deleted his text messages in advance of investigation, (3) discussed how to handle 2015 allegations and firing with misleading vagueness, (4) actually FAILED to follow protocol re allegations, and (5) repeatedly gave misleading statement to the media......"Nah, we don't think he lied."

BoulderDawg

Texts from 3 years ago? Mine last maybe a couple of months and most people don't even have the same phone from 3 years ago

bigdawg2223

After reading that, how do they not fire him? The media is going to rip them apart!

MinnesotaDawg

@BoulderDawg said:
Texts from 3 years ago? Mine last maybe a couple of months and most people don't even have the same phone from 3 years ago

He inquired about how to do it and then deleted ALL of his old text messages HOURS before he was put on suspension and had to relinquish his phone. Maybe I'm cynical, but seems a bit fishy to me for an innocent guy.

bigdawg2223

Heather Dinnich just destroyed him in an Espn write up.

MinnesotaDawg

@bigdawg2223 said:
Heather Dinnich just destroyed him in an Espn write up.

Clay Travis, whether you like him or not, had a pretty amusing reaction to the press conference on his Twitter account.

tiger_62082

Pretty damning stuff actually - especially the attempt to destroy evidence. I don’t see how any “tuned in parents” would want their children to play for that guy. He got off really easily.

3rdshift

@MinnesotaDawg said:

@bigdawg2223 said:
Heather Dinnich just destroyed him in an Espn write up.

Clay Travis, whether you like him or not, had a pretty amusing reaction to the press conference on his Twitter account.

this....according to the press conf...urban made it sound like zach was beating him 2...unbelievable.....that whole "diff set of rules" thing is becoming hard to deny...

JayDog

This saga from beginning to yesterday's end just reinforces what we've all known since his Florida days--Urban Liar is slimy.

JayDog

I have not read the report so I don't know the details. But I have a question to ask unrelated to the character of the coach. If a coach reports ALLEGATIONS of abuse to his administration, if the accused denies the allegations, if the police are called and no charges are filed--should the mere accusation of abuse get a person fired? Was this generally the situation here?

I don't know the law in Ohio, but in some states the police must press charges in a domestic violence call if evidence of abuse is found.

Bankwalker

@JayDog said:
I have not read the report so I don't know the details. But I have a question to ask unrelated to the character of the coach. If a coach reports ALLEGATIONS of abuse to his administration, if the accused denies the allegations, if the police are called and no charges are filed--should the mere accusation of abuse get a person fired? Was this generally the situation here?

I don't know the law in Ohio, but in some states the police must press charges in a domestic violence call if evidence of abuse is found.

Careful. I discussed these issues 2 weeks ago and was called a while bunch of stuff, including a woman abuser myself, by a bunch of younger posters.

The answer SHOULD be NO, that a person does not get fired over allegations, especially when the police have investigated and declined charges.

What the report states is what I've suspected all along - they don't have the evidence the fire with cause and $38 million is too much money to eat when the truth is that you would prefer to keep your coach. Now time will tell if this matters on the recruiting trail. I'm skeptical it will matter very much at all.

tiger_62082

@Bankwalker said:

@JayDog said:
I have not read the report so I don't know the details. But I have a question to ask unrelated to the character of the coach. If a coach reports ALLEGATIONS of abuse to his administration, if the accused denies the allegations, if the police are called and no charges are filed--should the mere accusation of abuse get a person fired? Was this generally the situation here?

I don't know the law in Ohio, but in some states the police must press charges in a domestic violence call if evidence of abuse is found.

Careful. I discussed these issues 2 weeks ago and was called a while bunch of stuff, including a woman abuser myself, by a bunch of younger posters.

The answer SHOULD be NO, that a person does not get fired over allegations, especially when the police have investigated and declined charges.

What the report states is what I've suspected all along - they don't have the evidence the fire with cause and $38 million is too much money to eat when the truth is that you would prefer to keep your coach. Now time will tell if this matters on the recruiting trail. I'm skeptical it will matter very much at all.

They definitely could have fired him with cause

SoFL_Dawg

@JayDog said:
I have not read the report so I don't know the details. But I have a question to ask unrelated to the character of the coach. If a coach reports ALLEGATIONS of abuse to his administration, if the accused denies the allegations, if the police are called and no charges are filed--should the mere accusation of abuse get a person fired? Was this generally the situation here?

I don't know the law in Ohio, but in some states the police must press charges in a domestic violence call if evidence of abuse is found.

I think the key here is your use of allegation(s), as in plural. You’re guilty till proven innocent these days, in the court of public opinion that is. The plural allegations indicate a pattern of conduct unbecoming of a public leader...my company would terminate with cause for these allegations. Accusations are front page news, in the “A” block on the tube. Clearances and retractions are located down below on the ticker. We never let facts get in the way of a juicy story. If a company’s brand/culture is at risk, you’ll get the pink slip.

That said, where there’s smoke...the pictures of abuse were enough for me. I don’t care if she is equally violent/drunk, cops were called and he was originally arrested per McMurphy’s report and copy of the 2015 incident. They can let a 30 for 30 detail how the report got changed 10 years from now. Smith should not be an appointed leader of young men, especially when indicators are he’s less than a man.