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Jalen Carter to reportedly not workout for teams at 2023 NFL Combine

SystemSystem Posts: 10,767 admin
edited February 2023 in Article commenting
imageJalen Carter to reportedly not workout for teams at 2023 NFL Combine

Jalen Carter won’t get to wow the NFL draft community like Travon Walker did last year on his way to becoming the No. 1 overall pick.

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    jdatl3jdatl3 Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I don't understand the logic. Someone needs to give that young man better advice.

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    jamboogiejamboogie Posts: 198 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I agree with Jalen. Take the physical then show off on your home turf.

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    budknox310budknox310 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 2023

    As much as I think he is a dominant player, this is a bad decision. If he is healthy, he needs to go. That could guarantee a no. 1 overall pick. Because everyone knows he will be a freak. But then again, does he really want to go to the Bears? 😂

    After the article on his character, teams could read into this. I don't agree, but a possibility.

    Maybe it's just my fandom, that wants to see back to back top overall picks, to go with the Back to Back Championships. GO DAWGS!!!!

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    UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    When you are projected to be a top 5 pick, like Carter, the combine is a mere formality. Take the physicals. Do the interviews. Then show your stuff at the UGA Pro Day.

    By bypassing the combine IF Carter doesn't show well at his pro day he won't have another opportunity to show out before the draft. It may cost him THE #1 spot but he won't drop out of the top 5. Not worth the risk of injury to participate in 2 workouts.

    UGA players made themselves a lot of money last year by being THE story of last years combine with their workout numbers.

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    thadecthadec Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 2023

    @jdatl3

    No. If you are a consensus top pick, you have more to lose by working out at the combine than you have to gain. Meaning that there is a greater chance of dropping from #10 to #20 because of a bad combine workout than moving up from #10 to #3 with a good one. The WORST conditions for a prospect are the combine where the facilities are unfamiliar, he is practicing with players from other teams that he is competing against for draft position, and the whole thing is overseen by NFL personnel.

    The better conditions for a prospect are at his pro day where he gets to work out at facilities well known to him with the teammates that he practiced alongside, and workouts are overseen by the coaches and trainers at his school.

    The best conditions are individual workouts run by the player's own agent and others chosen by the agent and player, such as his personal coaches and trainers.

    The reason why? Because the NFL personnel who run the combine are by nature "risk managers." While good picks clearly help a team, bad picks harm a team more than "OK" picks help them. So the NFL combine people have more invested in using the process to identify flaws that can be used as excuses to not consider a player (or draft him in a later round) than in identifying strengths and potential. It is more of a negative process than a positive one.

    Pro days and individual workouts are the opposite: they are run by people who are invested in the players' success and are going to promote strength/potential and try to mask weaknesses.

    Of course, NFL scouts, coaches and GMs know this. They take pro day and individual workout evaluations "with a grain of salt" i.e. they will had 0.05 seconds to a 40 time run at an individual workout (so if you run a 4.4 on a track and with weather conditions chosen by your trainer, scouts will say that your "real speed" is probably a 4.45). So if you are a consensus top prospect, all you need to do is have a great pro day and/or individual workout to confirm your consensus high pick status.

    But if you are not a top prospect, then you need to work out at the combine. Ideally, if you do great at the combine you can skip the workouts on your pro day (just show up and talk to whoever wants to interview you). If you do at least average at the combine then a great pro day result under more favorable conditions can still raise your stock. If you bomb the combine, then you will have 1-2 months to work with a trainer who specializes in the area that you did poorly in that your agent identifies i.e. a sprint trainer for a low 40 time or an explosiveness trainer for a bad vertical jump to hopefully improve it a little bit by your pro day.

    But remember Elijah Holyfield. His athletic pedigree, 4 star high school career at a notable high school that has produced 7 NFL players, and his productive UGA tenure were all wiped out by his infamous 4.8 40 time at the combine. (The combine has a well-known "slow track".) He was never able to recover from that and went undrafted.

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    jdatl3jdatl3 Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 2023

    Last years combine didn't hurt any UGA player. How many in the first round? I get some of your points, but most nfl scouts want to see you run next to others like you. If you ran at UGA, wouldn't the scouts wonder if there were some home cookin'? Wouldn't they rather see you laser timed at the combine. Maybe their shuttles are set exactly the same. Maybe he's not that fast and doesn't care.

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    UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Most of what you said made sense. However, the slow Indy combine track was replaced years ago. It is now considered a pretty fast track. See the UGA (and other) 40 numbers last year.

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