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Heisman Trophy favorites: Carson Beck atop list with SEC quarterback rivals

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  • MontanaDawgMontanaDawg Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BigDawg61...definitely not all Beck's issue with the long ball. I SO remember a couple of great downfield passes that were dropped...by Arian Smith...Argh. At least he caught one in the FSU game! I'll be curious to see who really steps up and stands out to replace a talent in the slot like McConkey. We've certainly got the bodies, but do we have a consistent talent that can create space, has great hands, knows when to sit in the gap in zone coverage, and who can go up and get the ball away from the defender. Who will it be next season?

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 6

    FYI....Navy....

    This week...after the Bowl games....Bill Connelly and ESPN came out with their "Final FPI Rankings" [Power Index].

    Guess who moved into #1 for the 1st time, this season. That's right....UGA!

    Guess who dropped to #2 for the 1st time. That's right...Michigan!

    And, Connelly is a BIG10 Homer. What does that say about the so-called "best four"?. Lol

    There's a fact for ya...@MikeGriffith . Why don't you run an article on that?

  • David1David1 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Bottom line is Georgia played the worst game at the worst possible time of the year with how all the other conferences had contenders that they didn’t the last several years and the other team played one of their best, with assistance from the refs on 2 huge calls or no calls as the case may be. BUT we still only lost by 3 on a neutral field and fell further than any #1 ranked team has ever fallen. Any team past 6th has ever made the playoffs and 2 teams did it this year. That stinks something awful from that ridiculous playoff committee. Some people will disagree, but that’s fine, but we are one of the 4 best teams in the country, and I think we are THE best despite the one loss. That game in September that was beat to death held way too much weight. Neither team was the same after that game.

    It would have been interesting to see the chemistry between Beck and AD Mitchell. Possibly could have been the needed difference in the sec title game, like Griffith mentioned. The sec making Georgia drop OK came back to bite us. I still don’t understand why they made Georgia drop that game. The return game wasn’t until 2031 so it wouldn’t have made any difference. I’m sure Kirby would have loved to had that game on the schedule.

    Going for 3 out of 4 in 2024! 34 weeks to kickoff! Go Dawgs!

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 6

    Arian Smith has been a "work in progress", since he arrived. He's got the breakaway speed, but, I haven't seen much improvement on his focus or blocking. He's making the same mistakes, he made in year one.

    Now...that could be, because he's injured every year. Which is a concern, in and of itself. If he's gonna see the field next year...that has got to change.

    I don't think Kirby and Bobo have given up on him yet...but...IMO, he's got some work to do, between now and August, if he is planning on having an impact in '24. UGA's got some ballplayers coming in this year...experienced and inexperienced.

    By the way....for a QB to throw the long ball...there has to be a trust and silent communication between the QB and Receiver. This was, by all rights, Beck's 1st year. I expect him to make the same leap Bennett made....once he was given the keys to the offense.

    Bennett...Having Daniels and Monkin looking over his shoulder, throughout the '21 season...was "driven" to excel in '22. I just wonder if Beck feels that same heat from Gunner and Bobo..

    Can't wait to see the '24 version of Dawgs. Lol

  • CClayC88CClayC88 Posts: 135 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @BigDawg61

    You sound more and more like those whiny, excuse-making Tide and Byckeye fans everyday.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 6

    I...don't...give...a...crap...about...the loss in the SECCG. Get that? No excuses. Don't care....it happens.

    But, it shouldn't have cost UGA a chance at the Natty.

    Again....see ESPN's latest FPI Power Ranking.

    The Dawgs haven't been ranked #1 in that particular ranking, all year long. In fact....I don't think they've been ranked anywhere near #1, over the last 2 or 3 years....in ESPN's FPI. "That's" telling...IMO.

    They moved UGA "up" to #1 and Michigan "down" to #2....THIS WEEK! What I want to know....is, why aren't YOU and every other so-called Bulldog Fan, raising some hell about it.

    In fact....if UGA fans were a little more vocal about being screwed back in 2018...they probably wouldn't be dealing with this injustice, now.

    They're not scared of you...they're scared of Bama fans and Texas money. Leaving UGA out, didn't give em more than a few minutes of pause. They expect you to slink away quietly, like so many other times, before. I'm not doin' it. Not this time.

    I've heard more common sense and indignation about it, from other SEC Team's fans, than our own. If you don't till the soil...how do expect anything to grow, but, weeds?.

    FYI....I watched the Bama vs Michigan game, in a hotel bar, with a bunch of Michigan fans [with my UGA Shirt and Hat, on...Lol]. They ALL thought UGA should've been there...but, were glad they weren't. Everybody, but, Dawg Fans, seem to "know".

    I'm not grinding the tired old Bama or OSU injury axe. It's the CFP Politics, I have a problem with. And, if you're a true Dawg & Football Fan....it should bother you, too.

    Nothing says, it won't happen again. If not to UGA...then, somebody else. And, I don't like it.

  • MikeGriffithMikeGriffith Posts: 3,694 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BigDawg61 I will say Arian was open deep and Carson underthrew him -- that turned into a field goal instead of a TD --- 4-point swing in a 3-point game.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 6

    Yep....he's overthrowing alot.

    I think it's because...for whatever reason....he doesn't trust all of his receivers to make a play on the ball....yet. I.e., catch it or break up an interception, if need be. Be physical, downfield.

    I would assume McClendon teaches that, so, it must be a lack of trust. I notice that most QB's are like that. They have their favorites. Bennett had Jackson and Mitchell....Daniels had Pickens and Burton. IMO...Beck trusted Bowers and Bennett....and, that's about it. Maybe, Jack-Saint, as well.

    There's no telling, which receivers he develops chemistry with, next year ['24]. But, I hope he picks the healthy ones. Lol

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @MikeGriffith

    I misread "under throw" as "over throw"....I guess, cause that was my observation.

    But, yes, I remember that under throw. I haven't been able to watch that game, again...just yet. Lol

    Is it possible, that Beck thought Arian was supposed to "sit", rather than "release"? In other words....a miscommunication on Arian's part...or a misread by Beck?

  • navydawgnavydawg Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 6
  • BigDawg888BigDawg888 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Some interesting takes. I think I agree with both 61 and MG. Some.

    MG is right we had a bad day. But why did we have a bad day? The players made a few mistakes liked the offsides and then the missed fg. The fumble led to a td for them I think. It was a huge mistake in a close game. There's 6 points on our mistakes

    Referee missed the review of the play that ended up leading to 7 for them but I give the refs 3 of the 7 because we still could have stopped them. That's 9 points.

    Yes, we had some injuries and they are part of the game however our best player did not look himself and neither did Ladd. Of course we were playing a freshman at ILB because our best lb (not this year but last) was out - JDJ.

    Now our OL blocking was poor in the middle (left guard) and we didn't do a good job with pass protection. Our OL just did not play well imo. No quarterback is going to look good if he is getting knocked around.

    Now some other things that the referees missed were the constant holds by their cornerbacks on our wrs and tes. These were not called and we were not ready with bunch formations, better designed motion plays to get our playmakers open. Sure we can blame the referees for not calling defensive holding but we didn't gameplan well either. That to me is on the OC.

    Now on defense we just didn't have the depth to stop them and we needed to blitz earlier in the game to counter our disadvantage on the line of scrimmage. Instead of spying we should of brought heat like Michigan did. It is a roll of the dice when you do it but if you don't eventually someone gets open. Our DL got tired and it showed. The snap counts for guys like Stack were too high. The scheme here is on the DC not our players. We played into their strength and into our weakness (DL depth).

    Carson is light years better than Milroe. It really is not close. Carson should of been in New York this year as the #4. Remember Carson put up those stats of his without his 2 best wrs being healthy for large chunks of the year. Milroe has better wrs and so does OSU and Washington. Carson would pass for 4500-5000 yards if he had the guys those other 3 qbs have. It's just not comparable at all.

    I don't know why we cannot get a bona fide 5 star or 2 to come here at wr. It is a great mystery. Kirby has shown he will chuck it. I personally think it is better to be balanced and have great running backs in college so you can control the game. Our wr corps will be great for Georgia next year and we are solid at te Our running backs (all predicitions are based on key guys not being injured) next year with Etienne, Frazier, and the Robinsons will be great. Frazier and Etienne are dudes. This will open up our passing game even more.

    Our linebackers will be young next year but uber talented. Justin Williams is the real deal. DL should be better than this year and top 5 in the country.

    Future is bright. 2 things can be true at the same time. Go Dawgs!

  • Ddavis0777Ddavis0777 Posts: 412 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Time to remove the tinfoil had and move on to 2024 @BigDawg61 lolz

  • Ddavis0777Ddavis0777 Posts: 412 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Good piece @MikeGriffith. we can agree on a couple things; but I enjoyed the read. Keep these kinds of pieces coming this offseason please?

  • navydawgnavydawg Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    G-Day can’t get here soon enough !! Maybe Then the storylines can change and the 2023 SECCG will be put to rest in the record books where it belongs. Just about the time My scab is starting to heal up here comes yet another article loaded with references to that game. A game that countless Dawgs fans are Still hurting about, and are Very sensitive about.

    All I Really see from rehashing it over and over is causing allot of arguments between Dawgs fans here that I Love and Respect. GUILTY as charged, ME, Yes I’ve more than played a roll in keeping it going to by commenting on the articles. Y’all Please forgive me.

    Let’s All Look Forward !! Let’s talk about the Future of Dawgs football. That game is Done. It’s Over. It’s in the books. I Respectfully Request, No PLEAD with All DN writers to do their level best to Move Forward. Bury that game in the record books Please !! It just causes strife between Dawgs fans. And Again I’ve been a part of that and I sincerely apologize.

    I Want and Need to look Forward to 2024. And I think I can say that for Most Dawgs fans. Rehashing it over and over won’t change the records and is not conducive to healing. Go Dawgs !!

  • navydawgnavydawg Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Hey my fellow Dawgs fans if Kirby couldn’t add but one more player from the TP, what position do you see the most need. QB, WR, DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, Safety You can Only pick One position. I’d like to see what the consensus is.

    For Me it would be a game changing DT. A guy that can plug the middle up vs the run, And create Havoc in the pass rush. Another Jaylen Carter or Devonte Wyatt or Jordan Davis type guy. P.S. Wouldn’t it be So cool if this dude from SC turns out to be that guy, Or even better Naz Stackhouse ramps up his game ??!!??

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