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Joseph Jonah-Ajonye, Nnamdi Ogboko ready to take on bigger role on Georgia football DL
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Joseph Jonah-Ajonye, Nnamdi Ogboko ready to take on bigger role on Georgia football DL
Heâs one of the few veterans on the Georgia defensive line and someone who occupies a lot of space. That he was playing some of his best football makes his knee injury all the more devastating.
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Really high on Ogboko. Like what I saw in limited snaps. Need a big guy to clog it up and get to the QB every once in a while. They recruited these superstars like Jonah-Ajonye, and they have snaps under their belt. Next man up!
"Ogboko is the only Georgia defensive lineman with a sack this season." In 8 games. Safe to say that the CFB world has caught on to the (outdated?) Saban D that CKS deploys at UGA.
“They were really recruiting him here to play first-down, second-down, but he’s been turning a lot of heads in the pass rush. So I feel like that’s what we’re gonna use him for.”
We need these guys on the DL to establish themselves as targets for a double-team by the opposing OL. That makes for better lanes for a LB or safety to blitz on the pass plays, and frees up at least one of the LBs to step in and make a play at or behind the LOS when they run the ball. Jordan Davis, Devonte Wyatt, Travon Walker, and Jalen Carter were all nightmares for the OL and had to be double teamed. Even when they didn't make the play, each were probably occupying two offensive linemen!
GO DAWGS!
Yes indeed @UGADad20
That poor outdated Bama style defense employed by Kirby is a pathetic 3rd best in the SEC. Perhaps the real factor this year is that the SEC defenses for the most part are a lot less experienced and seasoned this year as indicated by the fact that the two teams ahead of UGa on the defensive side (OK/MIZ) both have more returning starters. Am I excited about how we're playing defense this year, absolutely not! But the realist in me recognizes we replaced a lot of TOP SHELF talent from a year ago. The deployed system if fine, it's the execution that is lacking, give the kids time, this is afterall a rebuilding year on that side of the ball. They're certainly great fighters…
Nothing at all what so ever against Jordan Hall. But the big man has had several, several serious injuries and resulting surgeries. Now bless his heart he’s injured again. I hope he gets fully well and soon.
But because of his past medical history perhaps it’s slowed him some And diminished his strength ? So wouldn’t it be Great for the team if the guys stepping in to replace him have an awesome game for the Dawgs ? Not trying to wish off bad things on Hall but as he’s a DGD, he would Want those guys to do really well for his team. Maybe he himself can come back better than before, I hope so. I wish him the best for his career in the long term. But we need his replacements to really shine going forward in this game and the games to follow. Go Dawgs !!
Once upon a time, the bears 46 defense was the thing. Everything evolves. The problem is, offenses have so many more looks that they might use. If you new exactly what they were going to do, you could scheme for it every time. Florida got caught chasing Z branch, and Stockton hit Thomas for a touchdown. All this is happening with student athletes that have to go to class and get limited reps. If something new shows up, everyone copies it. I don't think Kirby's defense is outdated. I think his kids are young, and some of them are making mistakes.
I used to think the 3-4 was a good idea. Theoretically the O doesn't know where the 4th rusher is coming from. That should be an advantage. The problem is that the 3 down lineman are all basically DT's not exactly known for passrushing. So the 3-4 takes away 1 DE passrusher for 1 gap controlling runstuffer.
The UGA DL has 1 sack in 8 games. Granted UGA only technically plays 3 DL. But if you add in reserve and OLB #0 and #99 the sack grand total rises to ……1 sack.
The UGA D is inexperienced? #'s 3, 5, 52, 44, 0, 9,19 and 99 all have multiple years of experience in the system. Talent wise they are all high 4* or 5* players. Transfer #18 was a sack machine last year and freshman #29 is a very athletic 6'5" 265 lb player. They can barely get on the field let alone sniff a sack. Whether the UGA defenders are experienced or inexperienced the bottom line is 1 sack, last in the SEC in sacks and 111th in the country. Other teams with far less talent do better. It is as if UGA is playing a "prevent D" all the time.
That bend but don't break philosophy puts UGA at #26 on D overall, #65 in passing D and #15 in rushing D.
UGA D dominance has always been about stacking and rotating better defenders not on scheme. The front 7 scheme has always been predictable. Predictability (Saban's D figured out) can be schemed against, as we are seeing this year. Without a pass rush UGA will be significantly handicapped in the playoffs.
The last 15 (?) Super Bowl champs and the last 2 CFB champs all play 4-3.
i don’t think Saban ever changed his defense though. I think our main issue is we don’t have a nose that can command two blockers nor a guy like Jalen Carter who was unblockable when he was fully motivated.
Must admit whether I agree with your opinion or not, I certainly enjoy your pov. Excellent take but I certainly would like to counter a point or two…the stats I see show UGa 21st overall, 65th pass and 60th defensive pass efficiency and they are15th against the run but here is another one of my fun facts related to that…UGa is the only SEC team to have faced the top 3 offensive passing teams in the SEC…contrare,and unsurprising, UGa is the only team that has NOT faced any of the top 3 SEC leaders in rushing. Let that sink in for a second. Wasn't it Kirby earlier this year that said Stats are fun but do they really matter? or something like that…
As for his antiquated 3-4 defense, certainly we can agree that when you have a dominant NT it works. When you don't, it doesn't. 3-4 defenses are the best option against pass happy defenses with mobile QBs in my opinion but to be dominant, it starts up front and this year we certainly are not. I suppose you could change mid season to a base 4-3 but with a young inexperienced defense I'll leave it to the experts on UGa's staff to ascertain if doing that is better than trying to continue to coach the kids up in the system they have been exposed to for their first few years in Athens.
I did read somewhere that 7 Super Bowls were won by teams using a version of the 3-4 defense between 2005 and 2017 so I would probably argue the 15 straight super bowl champs part. Belichik loved it…Ryan Day base is 4-3 but goes to the 3-4 often in obvious passing downs and depending on the competition utilizes it quite a bit at times, but then he is getting great push from his interior linemen…something I hope to start seeing in our Dawgs soon.
@Gramster That was an awful long way to go to say that the UGA D isn't cutting it. Did you ever think that the reason those 3 passing offenses were tops in the SEC was BECAUSE they played UGA?
Isn't UGA's (back up) NG currently leading the DL in sacks? Typically a NG is in there to clog up the middle against the run. Christen Miller is the "DT" in the UGA D. Same position as JCarter played. More like a 3-4 DE. Former 5* Miller been on the team 3-4 years has not made any impact rushing the passer. 5* #44 is (was) the starting NG. But then again none of the UGA DL have made an impact rushing the passer.
For all the sideline to sideline that the UGA LB's give you, that athleticism is not translating to passrush, TE or RB coverage or even TFL. Those small LB's, while necessary for today's CFB spread offenses and mobile QB's, are weak at the point of attack against the run. Typically UGA is rushing 3 vs 5 OL. When Schumann does bring a blitz it has been coming between the DLinemen. Right into the OL. Not working.
" I did read somewhere that 7 Super Bowls were won by teams using a version of the 3-4 defense between 2005 and 2017". So 8 years ago (an eternity in CFB) some 3-4 teams won? We see how well Belichick's scheme is going over in CFB this year. OSU mixes it in on passing downs (to get more DB's on the field on obvious passing downs) ? CKS/CGS don't seem like they are mixing anything in. Teams are having success offensively creating 2nd and short and 3rd and short. 3rd down conversions are sky high vs the UGA D this season.
I am not saying that the 4-3 is the answer. But CKS's 3-4 is certainly not the answer. Too predictable w/o any dominant (coached up 4* and 5*) players. Used to work. Not really working anymore.
My "puts UGA at #26 on D overall" was a misstatement. #26 in scoring defense. #21 in total defense.
@UGADad20 Kind of humorous you zing me for using many words to simply say that the UGa D isn't cutting it, and then proceed with many word response as well, but that's ok. They don't charge us by the word on this site so we're good!
The article I was inferring was a 2017 article, as I couldn't find any updated articles discussing what base defense the SuperBowl champs from 2018 on utilized. This is in direct contradiction to someone's 15 straight Superbowl champs statement even if it is 7 years old. More sacks certainly should be coming from our ILBs and OLBs I certainly agree with you, why UGa's LBs are not producing more is somewhat perplexing. Scheme may be part of it, pass happy competition with accurate quick passing mobile QBs certainly plays its small part as well. I'll see if I can find some more up to date stats on how many Superbowl Champs were 3-4 base since 2018. but I can't believe it is zero. Michigan and BucknutU both utilize a 4-2-5 scheme, haven't seen much of Indiana but against Mich St they were primarily 3-4.
@Gramster That's not a zinger just an observation.
Any article is good data. I just looked at the list of SB winning teams. Of the last 13 winning SB teams the Patriots won 3 and the Ravens won one. Belichick was a disciple of Parcells (3-4 guy since he had LT) so he probably ran mostly 3-4. Think Vince Wilfork. Don't forget that NE also had Brady at QB. I think the Ravens ran a 3-4 also but they had Haloti Ngata at NT. Huge dude. Philly (2), KC (3), Rams, SEA, Denver, Tampa were all 4-3 teams. Interesting side note on Parcells. The Dallas Cowboys had the #1 D in the NFL the year before Parcells became Cowboy HC. Mike Zimmer was DC. Parcell's scrapped the 4-3 for the 3-4, let Zimmer go, and Parcell's Dallas D was never as formidable. He didn't have Lawrence Taylor at Dallas.
In this day and age of CFB not sure what D would work. Especially when you have a good running athlete at QB. Milroe and Hurts have killed the UGA D. What UGA is doing up front (7?) may be be good enough to be ranked 5-10 but doesn't seem to be good enough to do better than that.
CKS likes to play it safe. Keep the QB's on a short leash until they earn trust. Play vanilla D and just win even if it is ****. (edit: think **** Betty) If UGA can make the playoffs by playing low risk football CKS buys time for player development. There is no denying that 111th in the country in sacks is concerning.
7-1 is the only stat that matters. But the prospects for deep playoff advancement do not seem good w/o a better passrush. Unless GS suddenly becomes '23 CBeck throwing and SBIV running.
@UGADad20 agreed. 7-1 speaks volumes about the positive on field culture we have had the pleasure to witness since 2016. This is why I was glad to see CB tuck tail to the U, I was offended by his attitude depicted on the sidelines last year, instead of being a leader and encouraging his teammates all I saw was pouting and isolating himself when things were not going smoothly. Personally I had no preseason-hyped illusions that we were a playoff winning contender as there were simply to many key holes to plug but I was happy that Gunner was going to get his shot as I always saw him fully engaged on the sidelines while standing in Beck’s shadow. I love watching the attitude of this year’s team and have lowered my expectations to the point of simply enjoying watching them chop for 60 minutes no matter how dire the situation. I would have traded a 9-3 season for a victory over Bama (da mm it) but since that didn’t happen I do hope we get to play them again this season…hope our pups are ready for cowbell hail this weekend. I imagine it will be another tight contest. Cheers mate.