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Change of pace topic, The Hawks' John Collins is starting to look elite..

WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
edited January 2019 in Basketball

At just barely 21 years old he has made huge advances year over year and he gets better by the month.
Now he's hitting 3 pt shots at a high rate. After going 3 of 3 on 3s with 14 rebounds and 19 pts on 75% shooting last night he is showing a rare combination of skills and athleticism.

Over his last 8 games he's averaging 19 pts, 11.8 rebounds, 2 assists and he's hit a remarkable 11 of 20 3 pt attempts. Those are numbers tailor made for the current NBA game.

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  • VALDOSTADAWGVALDOSTADAWG Posts: 1,414 mod

    Too bad he's in Atlanta..

  • PTDawgPTDawg Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He was a steal in the draft. Schlenk is going to need to find a few more of those.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Always depends on what is meant by elite, but this looks like one heck of a building block and one heck of a value at that pick. If Young can improve, while the team tanks and they can get at least a top 3 pick and make a solid pick with the Mavs selection this really could be a great turnaround, getting out of the jut good enough not to be really any good cycle.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Always depends on what is meant by elite, but this looks like one heck of a building block and one heck of a value at that pick. If Young can improve, while the team tanks and they can get at least a top 3 pick and make a solid pick with the Mavs selection this really could be a great turnaround, getting out of the jut good enough not to be really any good cycle.

    He's now projecting as a 25ppg, 12 rebound per game, 3 to 4 assists per game 35% to 40% 3 pt and 60% overall shooter in the near future. If he hits those marks, he'll be elite by any standard.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Do you still think Barrett is the right choice as a complement to Collins? I have seen multiple mock drafts that had the Hawks taking Bol Bol with the Mavs pick. Talk about a risky choice.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 2019

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Do you still think Barrett is the right choice as a complement to Collins? I have seen multiple mock drafts that had the Hawks taking Bol Bol with the Mavs pick. Talk about a risky choice.

    Williams is obviously separating himself from the pack now, but we likely won't land the top pick. Phoenix is tanking for the 4th straight year, they are shameless. We'll likely have between the 3rd and 7th pick, so we might not have the option of taking Barrett, but I do think he'd be a very good fit if he's available.
    I'd be shocked if we take Bol, he doesn't fit the GS model at all.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Do you still think Barrett is the right choice as a complement to Collins? I have seen multiple mock drafts that had the Hawks taking Bol Bol with the Mavs pick. Talk about a risky choice.

    I think I read where Bol Bol was hurt - I wonder if his body will hold up...

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Do you still think Barrett is the right choice as a complement to Collins? I have seen multiple mock drafts that had the Hawks taking Bol Bol with the Mavs pick. Talk about a risky choice.

    I think I read where Bol Bol was hurt - I wonder if his body will hold up...

    He was injured a few days back.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Is it bad that I'm hoping to maybe see if they could trade Prince or Lin for something and tank as well?

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Is it bad that I'm hoping to maybe see if they could trade Prince or Lin for something and tank as well?

    I want Barrett, but Lin and Prince have long term value, so I don't think it's wrong, but I'm not sure it'd be a good tradeoff either.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Is it bad that I'm hoping to maybe see if they could trade Prince or Lin for something and tank as well?

    I want Barrett, but Lin and Prince have long term value, so I don't think it's wrong, but I'm not sure it'd be a good tradeoff either.

    Yeah I don't want to just dump them, I was hoping to a contender that might give them decent future assets in return.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited January 2019

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @TNDawg71 said:
    Is it bad that I'm hoping to maybe see if they could trade Prince or Lin for something and tank as well?

    I want Barrett, but Lin and Prince have long term value, so I don't think it's wrong, but I'm not sure it'd be a good tradeoff either.

    Yeah I don't want to just dump them, I was hoping to a contender that might give them decent future assets in return.

    Prince in particular has a lot of upside and he fits the GS mold. He has great tools to develop into to top notch defender.
    Lin is young enough to be our backup PG for a long time. He is efficient, which I like.
    If we can get enough return maybe, but like you said, I wouldn't give either away.

  • LD10LD10 Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

    So it could be # 6, right, if the season's record turns out good for us?

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

    So it could be # 6, right, if the season's record turns out good for us?

    Yes and depending on the lottery

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

    So it could be # 6, right, if the season's record turns out good for us?

    Yes and depending on the lottery

    How does that work? Do they draw for the top 14 slots?

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

    So it could be # 6, right, if the season's record turns out good for us?

    Yes and depending on the lottery

    How does that work? Do they draw for the top 14 slots?

    Yes in a very boring fashion

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @donm said:

    @TNDawg71 said:

    @LD10 said:
    Do we get the Dallas pick it they are in the lottery ?
    ght

    Top 5 protected

    So it could be # 6, right, if the season's record turns out good for us?

    Yes and depending on the lottery

    How does that work? Do they draw for the top 14 slots?

    Yes in a very boring fashion

    So when do we know if the pick is in the "protected zone" or not. I've not watched that particular show.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    It is usually somewhere late in the playoffs or during the finals.

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