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Josh Rosen Comments

Acrum21

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-josh-rosen-20170808-story.html

Not sure if everyone has read the article but I was curious what y'all thought about it. I can see both sides of the coin because I've experienced the hours of a student athlete and there is something to be said about "keeping players eligible". But at the same time there are guys out there graduating early. I think college athletics give kids wonderful opportunities and a great platform that otherwise wouldn't be available. But in the instance of the UCF kicker, I think the NCAA has too much of a strong arm policing kids personal brands and what they create for themselves. Just wondering where y'all stand on it.

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KingoftheSouth

Please read the article before anyone comments. There's a lot of cherry picking of quotes going on today with this interview.

I honestly don't have any problem with what he said and thing he made some very valid points about the football institutions.

Acrum21

@KingoftheSouth said:
Please read the article before anyone comments. There's a lot of cherry picking of quotes going on today with this interview.

I honestly don't have any problem with what he said and thing he made some very valid points about the football institutions.

I agree to a certain extent. Look at Josh Dobbs, he has an aerospace engineering degree. And I know he probably put in more hours than any player at UT.

KingoftheSouth

@Acrum21 said:

@KingoftheSouth said:
Please read the article before anyone comments. There's a lot of cherry picking of quotes going on today with this interview.

I honestly don't have any problem with what he said and thing he made some very valid points about the football institutions.

I agree to a certain extent. Look at Josh Dobbs, he has an aerospace engineering degree. And I know he probably put in more hours than any player at UT.

He's not saying it's not possible. He's saying why are athletics at this level and education at this level tied to the hip, it makes no sense. And when you step back and think about it, it doesn't make sense.

You would never ask an expert computer programmer to go walk on the GT football team to go on to their profession, so why are star athletes supposed to go share classrooms with them?

donm

@KingoftheSouth said:

@Acrum21 said:

@KingoftheSouth said:
Please read the article before anyone comments. There's a lot of cherry picking of quotes going on today with this interview.

I honestly don't have any problem with what he said and thing he made some very valid points about the football institutions.

I agree to a certain extent. Look at Josh Dobbs, he has an aerospace engineering degree. And I know he probably put in more hours than any player at UT.

He's not saying it's not possible. He's saying why are athletics at this level and education at this level tied to the hip, it makes no sense. And when you step back and think about it, it doesn't make sense.

You would never ask an expert computer programmer to go walk on the GT football team to go on to their profession, so why are star athletes supposed to go share classrooms with them?

KOS - I think what happens to non-star athletes is more important. The stars will thrive at the next level. Not all but many. What about the others of whom there are far more? If the complaint is "it's too hard..it takes too much time"..then it seems like whining to me. Maybe we need a minor league for FB so guys like Rosen won't be so overworked. Seems like he wants cake and to eat it too. Theoretically FB can only require 20 hrs/week per NCAA rules. If his school requires more he gets to decide how important athletics is for him. I'm not all sympathetic to his case.

ladawg

He's 20 years old.. what did any of us really know about such a complicated problem at 20! He is making an emotional statement because he feels entitled to do so... I worked 30 hours a week in college.. he has tutors, coaches texting him about where to be, etc... I think Rosen just has a big mouth.. I live in la, my wife is a ucla grad.. my house is a dawg and bruin household, but Rosen makes me cringe a little here

ladawg

Also, school is not a full time job..most the kids take 5 years, and go to school year round, so that's only 6-9 credits a semester.. that's 9 hours a week, plus 2-4 hours of studying.. that's not a full time job

ladawg

I do think athletes should get more benefits, and a stipend say 5 grand a year..but millions of kids don't get to go to college because of money, thousands can't get into ucla because they have a 3.5 gpa in hs and not a 3.6.. and many of us go and leave w 50,000 dollars in debt.. these kids get a full ride to a great institution, get the opportunity and coaching of a lifetime, and now they think they not only should be paid, they shouldn't have to go to school... c'mon,

Denmen185

Not sure what the point is in what he says. Is he saying that because he chooses to take a hard course he shouldn't have to play football or is he saying he shouldn't have to study because he is a football player? Either way he has/had a choice. He could have picked an easier course more friendly to his football development or taken his preferred course and not played football. Just seems a lot of woe is me when 90+% of kids his age would love to have the opportunity that he does.

Acrum21

@KingoftheSouth said:
He's not saying it's not possible. He's saying why are athletics at this level and education at this level tied to the hip, it makes no sense. And when you step back and think about it, it doesn't make sense.

You would never ask an expert computer programmer to go walk on the GT football team to go on to their profession, so why are star athletes supposed to go share classrooms with them?

The problem is there is not a real option to go to the NFL other than go through the NCAA. And I don't believe the NCAA has to change its rules regarding athletes that just want to go to the NFL and not "do school".

The only real option I see is making it like basketball where you only have to play for a year to be eligible for the draft but that still wouldn't do good for 99.9% of the athletes.

If there was a true Minor League for football or developmental league, the guys that just wanna play football can go do that.

ladawg

I agree w you there.. but I also think the one and done is silly too.. if u play tennis, golf, baseball, bowling, poker, and are good enough to turn pro at 12 years old u can.. but basketball and football players can't.. hmmmmmm..

Denmen185

@ladawg said:
I do think athletes should get more benefits, and a stipend say 5 grand a year..but millions of kids don't get to go to college because of money, thousands can't get into ucla because they have a 3.5 gpa in hs and not a 3.6.. and many of us go and leave w 50,000 dollars in debt.. these kids get a full ride to a great institution, get the opportunity and coaching of a lifetime, and now they think they not only should be paid, they shouldn't have to go to school... c'mon,

BTW, they do get a stipend on top of tuition, board, etc

Denmen185

@Acrum21 said:

@KingoftheSouth said:
He's not saying it's not possible. He's saying why are athletics at this level and education at this level tied to the hip, it makes no sense. And when you step back and think about it, it doesn't make sense.

You would never ask an expert computer programmer to go walk on the GT football team to go on to their profession, so why are star athletes supposed to go share classrooms with them?

The problem is there is not a real option to go to the NFL other than go through the NCAA. And I don't believe the NCAA has to change its rules regarding athletes that just want to go to the NFL and not "do school".

The only real option I see is making it like basketball where you only have to play for a year to be eligible for the draft but that still wouldn't do good for 99.9% of the athletes.

If there was a true Minor League for football or developmental league, the guys that just wanna play football can go do that.

But if that is his point why complain that he's not getting the chance for his MBA. Surely getting a degree however "easy" is better than going to college for 4 years and not getting one at all. Having no academic requirements would firstly make it a minor league and ultimately lead to the disassociation of football from college entirely. All college sports would be impacted as the cash cow dried up and every sport would become inter-mural.

donm

And there are some who would applaud a totally intramural program. I'm not in that group. And I would favor a league for those who don't want to go to college at all. I'm not sure what college FB would look like if that happened.

Denmen185

@donm said:
And there are some who would applaud a totally intramural program. I'm not in that group. And I would favor a league for those who don't want to go to college at all. I'm not sure what college FB would look like if that happened.

Most of the best players would take the "Minor League" route and even TWLOCP featuring 3rd/4th string talent wouldn't attract the crowds nor the TV money. CFB would die within 3 years and all other sports would lose funding and follow suit.

Acrum21

I don't think college sports would die at all. It works great for baseball. Some kids would still be smart enough to take the scholarship and the education. Once they sign that pro contract they can't come play college if it doesn't work out.

Unless you think folks would watch the minor league games, unlike baseball, then there would absolutely still be a market for college football.