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Ric Flair talked trash every saturday night to Jim Ross and became the most decorated World's Heavyweight Champion of all time. So now what?
This is one of those gray areas where it likely comes down to who’s doing the talking in determining if it’s acceptable based on ones tolerance. The flashier the player, the less acceptable it is.
Brady- “Yes, it’s passion!”
Manziel- “No, he’s a clown!”
As some have said, sometimes it elevates the player talking trash; they need it and they’re not the same player without it. Pickens and Burton fit this description. Blaylock does not.
Talking is part of the game. Getting penalties for talking is not.
Any quarterback who unnecessarily puts a target on their back will regret it. Look at what happened to cams body. Look at what’s happened to baker over the past year.
I don’t think emotion and passion have to go hand in hand with trash talking. I love seeing emotion on the field. Trash talking is fine to a degree, but sometimes it’s “**** and play.” It ends up making a lot of players look really **** (Chauncey Gardner...).
Wow, great thread! So many thoughts on this, it's hard to know where to start.
Would like to know where @texdawg draws the line between trash talk and taunting.
Disagree with the claim that trash talk has always been a part of sports. I was a three-sport guy in HS and started all four years in all three sports. Trash talking basically did not exist in my day. The handful of guys who did it were universally recognized as jerks, and we took care of them on the playing field.
Seriously question whether Larry Bird's talk contributed to his greatness. His play was great. If he talked trash too, that just takes away from his greatness.
At the end of the day, I think @SoFL_Dawg is dead on. (He's commented on this issue many times when it has come up on different threads.) A very small percentage of guys (possibly only WR's and CB's) have a need to talk trash in order to play ball to their optimal level. If that's the case, so be it. As for the rest, I agree with the others who said, "act like you've been there."
All else considered, there's no doubt the vast majority of amateur athletes would be better off with an old school coach helping them focus on their play rather than their smack.
Coming from a combat sport background, I've never trash talked an opponent, friend? All the time. For myself, I'm just more of a fan of stoicism but it's not for everyone and I won't begrudge someone that wants to trash talk. If it's a Dawg, it'll probably get me fired up. If it's someone else, it gets me fired up when they get put in their place.
/shrug
I think the timing of the trash talk is critical....
Pregame - I don't like players from my team to be trash talking the week before a game. I think that only provides bulletin board material for additional motivation for the opponent. "I get it, he throws simple passes".
During the game - I don't have a big problem with trash talking during the game, but you better back it up. If you don't back it up you just look silly. I believe it does affect some players on both sides of the talk. I also think it has gotten excessive in some cases. I recall seeing a LB jump up and flex as if he did something great when the RB just gained 3-4 yards. That's a bad look for me and it appears the player is more interested in self than team.
Post game - I think you should always take the high road and show your opponent respect publicly.
You can be very emotional without resorting to trash talking. To me, emotional players are trying to get/keep themselves and their teammates up, while trash talking is just trying to belittle an opponent. More of a ME thing. Ask the Wide receiver from Ole Miss how that worked out. He cost his team a victory in their rival game.
Refs typically don't flag trash talking. But they usually flag taunting.
As explained to me by referees......trash talking and taunting are typically easy to differentiate.......one is about "me" and one is about "them"
Typically trash talking is all about "ME". Bragging about what "I" did. Obviously there is some back to back with the other player......but it's usually self centered. And when two players are going at it......a CB and WR......if it stays somewhat good natured a ref will rarely flag it. It's equal ground so it's just trash talking.
I don't really like trash talking.....but I'll admit.....I've been on the sidelines and heard some really funny stuff.
Taunting is different.......it's usually about the other player. Standing over a player after a big hit.....demeaning a player- especially if the player is inferior in talent (refs don't like that). Being personally critical.....especially with body language.
It may be difficult to explain the difference.....but it's usually obvious on the field what is trash talking and what is taunting.
I don't think his celebration would go down as "trash talking". That's the exact point for a lot of us, talking is okay, taunting isn't.
The people that trash talk will certainly say it works.
Michael Jordan ended Muggsy Bogues' career with words. He broke opponents' spirit to compete.
Trash talking ruined his career? Or the fact he was 5'3"?
Well that certainly didn't help lol. But I believe he said in as many family friendly words during a playoff game, "shoot the ball, you darn short guy" and Muggsy just missed everything.