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Why don’t you want Kirby to speak up? I haven’t said I think his voice will tip the scales, but it darn sure won’t hurt. Why not come out and fire up the troops a little?
I don't know if it's political. I certainly haven't made any statements in the forum to suggest that it is. But there's no doubt that it's the elite vs. the little guy. People in power are making decisions that suit their agenda without regard for the devastating effect on the average citizen in this country. Cancelling the CFB season for no good reason is part of that. So I appreciate anyone in any position of authority speaking up for us little guys.
“But I appreciate him taking a stand against the Ministry of Groupthink.”
👆🏿 This statement leads me to believe it’s at least 2% political. Plus I read the boards, I read almost every post and I have a pretty accurate description where everyone lies on this issue by now.
i think you’re framing it incorrectly. You want it to be some classist issue because that is an easier to understand narrative. Us vs them. David vs Goliath.
the way I see it, is these presidents did some accounting, saw how much $$ this was going to cost to test players and coaches and decided to punt. Can Ohio and Michigan afford the testing? I’d imagine so. Can Indiana and Rutgers? I doubt it. But that story doesn’t drive the pretty rage machine that’s been humming for the last 20 years.
im done fueling the hate machine BC all that happens is I get angry and nothing changes.
I'd like to see him make statement in support of the players & all the hard work they've already put in, for their commitment to new protocols to protect each other and to enable a season to take place (like some other coaches have). Don't think it has to move the needle to be meaningful to the players and their families.
Well sure. You know where I stand and I know where you stand.
With that understanding, and politics aside, if University presidents are making this decision based on their bottom line, without consideration for the players, the alumni, the fans, and the country, then to hell with them.
This has been the best explanation so far. Thank you. This helps me understand the other view
Follow the money
Some people operate on that basis. Not all. Every crook I ever dealt with as a lawyer (wrongly) assumed that everyone else viewed the world the same way they did.
I don’t think I’m being clear...
@texdawg said he pays $300 per test for his employees. So we are testing 85 scholarship players. Another 20 walk ons. 11 coaches. 10 off field support staff (estimate). 10 on field support staff. 136 tests three times a week. Let’s say 130 to keep it even. That’s $40,800 each time everyone gets tested. I’ve heard they want to test three times a week. $122,400 a week. Four week fall camp, twelve game season...$1.9 million for testing. Without fans in attendance. That’s just for testing. Not counting all the other costs...with no fans. $0 brought in from tickets, concessions, programs, etc.
i don’t know how a school like Indiana or Rutgers can afford that
That's a reasonable argument, but I don't find it plausible. If Indiana and Rutgers said they couldn't afford to play football under these conditions, I'm pretty sure OSU and Penn St. would find a way to come up with the $1.9M.
Why would they give a rival money? When they were already losing so much? That would never happen. The tv money wasn’t going to be enough for these schools
I'm trying to imagine the discussion in the meeting room. One school says, "we vote to cancel the season because it will result in a $2M loss for us to play." So all the other schools say, "Welp, I guess we have to cancel the season then."
Somehow I don't think that's how it went down.
Now, if you're suggesting that ALL of the B1G schools are going to lose money by playing football this fall, then that's a slightly different argument. But EVEN IF that were the case, I would submit that they have an obligation to play, despite the projected loss.
For decades, you make $10M to $50M (or whatever) per year, and this year you project a $2M loss, so YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME???
If that's the thinking, I'll repeat what I said earlier, to hell with these university presidents.
After being read only for awhile I signed up especially to comment on this subject. I feel Kirby should not only not make a public indorsement for playing this season, he and all coaches should stay completely out of the decision making process. This isn't about football, it's a general leadership decision based on risk assessment.
Personally I think The HCs at Nebraska, Penn St. and other schools should be told to stop being insubordinate or put in their resignations.
I don't have the answers about when or if a 2020 season should be played, but I know those decisions shouldn't be left to people =whose livelihoods depend on football.
again I’m not explaining myself well enough...$2M for testing is one aspect. There are probably hidden costs we don’t know about. And I went on the low end of the estimate...who knows if it’s more. It probably is.
Greg Schiano is making $4M a year with $0 brought in. He has $3.9M salary pool for his staff. Now that’s nearly $10M spent with $0 brought in. And $2-3M ON TOP of what they are already spending.
Now travel...transport, hotels for a 130 (low end) operation. Normally it’s six times a year, now it’s five. Now they didn’t have any really long roadies, but they still have to travel and pay that with $0 brought in. Chartered flight? Or buses? Hotel rooms let’s say 60 at $75 a night for one night because they are trying to save money...close to 5K. And still no money coming in.
Now you’re suggesting they go to Ohio with their hands out...asking for welfare for testing? Ain’t gonna work. College football is a business. Georgia has a fat kitty right now and I’d be mad as hell if they gave some to another member school out of the kindness of their heart. That would be a total waste.
so the losses START at $2M. The tv money doesn’t even begin to get a school like Rutgers out of water. Instead they can hide under the guise of “safety of the kids” and not have to fire anyone or sacrifice their salary. Maybe these coaches make too much money?
all this money football makes pays for the recruiting victories we love, the facilities improvement we say we need to keep up, and the sports no one pays to see but still puts kids in college.
so I say again...follow the money.