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Unless one of Brady or Belichick finish their career SIGNIFICANTLY better than the other, this will turn into a MJ/Lebron type of debate.
The way I look at it, Belichick is addicted to football and winning and has taught himself how to win in the National Football League better than any other coach in history. I think so much of Brady’s mindset and how he perceives the game and goes about his business was learned from Belichick. That’s not to knock Brady. He’s immensely talented and did all the right things. I do think he’s the greatest QB ever, but I’ll side ever so shortly with Bill on this debate unless Brady is able to 100% that he was the most important piece of the equation.
In addition to the much better supporting cast of weapons in Tampa, the much better defense, COVID opt-outs, etc., here’s some more thing I think are worth mentioning in support of Belichick.
-He won 37 games over 5 seasons in Cleveland
-He was HC for Cleveland’s last playoff victory
-They won 3 games the year prior to his arrival and 2 games after he left.
-He started his coaching career in ‘75. He was named giants DC in ‘85 after 6 years with the team He won SuperBowls as DC in ‘86 and ‘90. His defense was responsible for those wins and for giving Elway and Kelly fits
-In 2008, Brady was injured early in the opener, but Belichick was still able to lead his team to an 11-5 record.
I 100% believe Brady is the GOAT QB and he’s definitely had some great statistical performances in the Super Bowl, but he’s also been okay to average to flat out bad in others. He’s been in 9 Super Bowls and I’ve watched them all, yet I struggle to think of a single moment or play where Tom truly wowed me and I thought “I’m watching greatest of all time” (I’m sure at least one notable play is slipping my mind, but the point still stands. When I think of his SuperBowls, I think of the Giants’ pass rush, David Tyree, Dant’a Hightower’s sack & fumble, Malcolm Butler’s INT, Chase Blackburn’s INT, Janet Jackson’s ****, and Nick Foles greatness. Sure, 28-3 was an all-time comeback and Brady was great at the helm, but it was a team effort (again, no single play from Brady stands out) and the narrative was that the Falcons’ had an epic collapse and not that Brady was a savior.
In my opinion, Belichick still has multiple Super Bowls even if he never found Brady, while Brady would be more likely to have 0 than 2 or more without Belichick. And lastly I don’t think it’s fair to think this debate is anywhere close to over 7 games after their separation when Bill’s relying on a QB he signed 2 months before the season to lead a roster with a lot of holes in it that are largely a result of COVID. When you consider their remaining schedules, respected divisions, and Bill Belichick’s ability to improve his squad as the season progresses, I don’t think Bill Belichick should be counted out.
The following is just some quick analysis of each SB I jotted down when looking into all of this.
Super Bowl Wins:
XXXVI: Patriots 20 - Rams 17
-Pats D held the greatest NFL offense ever at that point in time to 17 points and Forced 3 turnovers
-Brady finished with 145 yards and a touchdown. He was only sacked twice and the Pats averaged 5.3 yards per carry, while only converting 2 of 11 3rd downs.
XXXVII: Patriots 32 - Panthers 29
-Brady finished with a solid game overall going for 352 yards, 3 TDs, and an INT. He struggles much of the first 3 quarters, but lit it up in the 4th when it matters, so credit to him for that.
XXXIX: Patriots 24 - Eagles 21
-Brady had 236 yards, 2 TD, and 1 fumble.
-Stats are alright, but Brady did not play anything better than average
-Pats D forced 4 turnovers and was the reason they won that game
XLIX: Patriots 28 - Seahawks 24
-Brady had 356 yards, 4 touchdowns, 2 ints, but their defense is the main reason they reached the SB and won it
LI: Pats 34 - Falcons 28
-Brady had 466 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 INT
-Obviously an all time great game and comeback. Props to him.
LII: Pats 13 - Rams 3
-262 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
-Defense won them this game
SuperBowL losses:
XLII: Giants 17 - Pats 14
XLVI: Giants 21 - Pats 17
LII: Eagles 41 - Pats 33
Cam is not and never will be the QB Brady is.
not the argument.
Tom is the GOAT and it is undisputed. Just saying for this year, 2020, switch Cam and Tom and I bet the records are similar.
Naw CoVid related and sit outs have hurt Bill.
Even if Brady wins without Bill its bot because Arians is a great coach they literally have the offensive depth of a college football team with three #1 WRs and three #1 TEs anywhere else. Not to mention three #1 RBs. And a defense that is stacked as well.
Bill is doing decent and bad at the same time. But didnt they have tbe most opt outs of starters at 5, add in regular injuries, Cam and Gil CoVid, etc. Been bad breaks for him all around.
So, one can deduce that an elite QB is important . . . . where have I seen this before . . . . 🤔