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Slight differences between Clemson and Georgia demonstrate razor-thin margins in college football

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edited May 17 in Article commenting
imageSlight differences between Clemson and Georgia demonstrate razor-thin margins in college football

Georgia football and Clemson are remarkably similar programs. Yet there are some key differences that explain why the programs are headed where they are.

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  • ColumbusDawgColumbusDawg Posts: 192 ✭✭✭ Junior

    The huge difference, in my mind, was not mentioned. Clemson has Dabo. Dabo is an offensive coach. UGA has Kirby. Kirby is a defensive coach and was and is at the highest level in college ball. And he is intense and I would say he is now getting better defensive players than Clemson. So it is Kirby's defensive coaching against Dabo's offensive coaching. I still go by defense wins championships. Unless the offense is something else, like theirs was, along with their defense mind you, when Clemson won it all twice. Without a really good defense, you are not winning squat. No matter how good your offense is. You can win with a really good defense and just an above average offense. Because that defense will keep getting the ball back to the offense, which not only gives the offense more opportunities, but also wears out the other teams defense.

    So I will take a consistently good UGA Kirby Smart coached defense over a Dabo coached offense. I just think that the offense has a lot more variables that can mess it up or make it less consistent, than a Kirby Smart led fire-breathing intense defense. Offenses can be spectacular, i.e. 2019 LSU and Clemson with Watson, etc. But they come and they go. Saban usually always had a great defense and a running game. Qb's were adequate and they came and went and managed the game and hit some big play action passes in the 2nd half of games. And more lately great receivers also added to the mix. Defense has always been his one constant(defensive coach), along with the running game. And it makes sense. Again, get the ball back to the offense and wear out the other defense and then run the ball in 2nd half. And score some points along the way and then end them in the 4th quarter. 😁

  • Bdw3184Bdw3184 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Well-written article, Connor!

    And as all us ol’ timers say, “Clempson still sux!”

    Go Dawgs! National Champions! 1942, 1980, 2021

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Clemson and UGA are 2 programs headed in opposite directions. The similarities between the programs in 2022 are minimal. Clemson has been a house of cards program built on 2 CFB HOF QB's (from GA). They were elevated by being the best team in a weak conference. One of their 2 championships was won on the last play of the game on an illegal pick play that the refs didn't have the guts to call (Bama fatigue?)

    The Clemson program has been passed by. Clemson's failure to adapt to the new rules (TP) has dropped them out of the top 5 CFB programs. Clemson has been slow to adapt to NIL as well. Clemson's location and size may severely limit its ability to compete on the NIL playing field. Swinney's failure to adapt will continue to set the Clemson program back. Swinney's antiquated view of the TP is born out of stubbornness. CKS view is born out of elite recruiting. Huge difference.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited May 17

    Wanted to comment on the Sentell article on CB Washington but couldn't there. Since Riley's mentioned it here I will comment here.

    Love the player. Hate the move. It would be better for the UGA '22 season for this young man to be honing his skills on the high school gridiron rather than taking a scholarship as a developmental player in Athens this season. Numbers are tight and an experienced CB or S transfer would have been a huge benefit to the '22 team. In addition, with the other higher ranked and more experienced CB's coming in this year, there is a chance he hits the TP before he see's significant playing time. UGA also loses a future, potential Channing Tindall -type CB contributor a year before he hits his college peak.

  • David1David1 Posts: 376 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Their fan base will find out how good a coach Dabo is now after losing both coordinators and all that continuity. Go Dawgs!!

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Tindall was a backup outside linebacker (OL). It's not that hard for a Freshman DB to contribute, especially one as talented as this kid. They don't "NEED" to bring anybody in off the portal. If the right guy comes along, they'll make it work, scholarship-wise. I wouldn't get bogged down that much in that part of the game. Especially with the NIL Collective UGA has in place. Somebody will pay for his education.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited May 17

    So you think a 170 lb kid who is still supposed to be in HS can step in and compete at CB in the SEC? So did Nick Saban with older, more experienced and better developed DB's entering the CFBCG last season. How did that turn out? To ask a kid to play in this situation is unfair to the kid and unsafe for the kid. He will be overmatched physically. What that equates to is a redshirt development season. A basically unused scholarship that would be better used on a proven player that can play this season. If this kid sees the field this year over Lassiter, Green, Everette, Singletary and/or Humphrey things will be very bad in Athens.

    Tindall made a big contribution to a championship team (and a lot of $$) because he stayed around long enough to develop and show his talent. He was there to step in when he was needed. Washington really isn't needed until the '24-'25 season. '23-'24 should be his developmental season. He won't be needed (or play) this season and is taking a scholarship from a more experienced guy that could/will be needed.

    Players staying in HS is a great way to stash players until they are ready to play at an SEC level.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    JT Daniels started for USC in 2018 as a College Freshman in what should have been his Senior year of High School. Kobe Bryant and Lebron James walked out of high school onto an NBA court and became two of the greatest athletes the sport has ever seen. So yeah, I think kids coming out of high school can step on a football field as College Freshmen and compete. It's been done and in today's athletic environment with all of the preparatory training and camps, it's becoming a helluva lot more common.

    He's a rare talent that's been training for this most of his life. Don't underestimate these kids. BTW...there's a huge difference between playing in the front 7 and playing in the defensive backfield.

    I think Kirby would rather train em, than retrain em. I know I would. You never know what kind of psychological kaleidoscope you're going to get from somebody else's team. LOL. They got lucky with Derion Kendrick. No need in pushing your luck if you can help it. They've still got Tykee. It seems like he may actually contribute this year. We'll see.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    BTW...Everett, Singletary and Humphrey are also Freshmen. No more developed than Washington. Just sayin'.

    I expect all of those guys to see the field at some point this season. Giving UGA, possibly the best secondary in all of College Football, in 2023 & 2024.

  • E_RocE_Roc Posts: 826 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited May 17

    Is anybody else seeing the weird ads replacing the comments section in some of the more recent articles? I'm using an ad blocker that's generally been very effective and they're still showing up. One of them is overtly sexual. Not that I'm a prude, it just all looks really sketchy.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Really? The other 3 freshman played 4 years of HS football. Washington played 3. Logically they are all 1 year older with an extra year of physical and skill development. Are you really that dumb or do you just enjoy trolling?

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited May 17

    Okay chief. It is hard to believe that that statement came from an adult. So now Washington is a Kobe Bryant and Lebron James level prospect? Basketball not football. They still played 4 years of HS basketball. JTD played QB where the game is played mostly between the ears. He played at USC because they had no one else.

    CKS rarely plays freshmen. HE understands that freshman need time to develop physically. Forget about the complex defensive schemes in play. How many times has that 170 lb DB come up to stop a 220 lb 22 year old RB on a sweep? CKS would rather they stay in HS and develop physically. Since freshman rarely play big minutes he can break them in over the course of the season.

    As far as needing better players with experience? UGA doesn't need them IF they win the CFBCG. But if they don't win then they will have needed better players. The odds are that they don't repeat. And the reason the odds are that they don't repeat is because of inexperience at DB. Washington does not help you there. Another player from the TP could. When UGA added Kendrick a year ago he instantly became the best CB in the room. Saban has added 4-5 players this off season who instantly became the best player in their respective rooms at AL. Adding Washington means you just added the 7th best player in the room. Who knows what you could've added from the TP but the chances are that he would've been able to contribute more this season than someone who should still be playing HS football. Football 101 for everyone who isn't interested in just trolling.

  • navydawgnavydawg Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I can’t say beyond a shadow of a doubt that our beloved Dawgs will repeat and win back to back Nattys. But all homerism aside I honestly Do believe they will be right in the thick of competing for it again. And Could win it again. Yes we lost a full Ton of talent to the NFL and some others elected to transfer, but this Dawgs team is Still a very potent strong team. The schedule is favorable. We have a good bit of experience coming back on Offense. Due to injuries some guys got valuable time in on Defense. YES there are areas of concern. But players out getting post season surgeries made the Spring Game look worse regarding being thin at positions/units. It’s my understanding All of those guys will be back by Fall Camp. And several of the young guys showed allot of promise in the Spring Game. If the Dawgs get a solid W ( solid being the key word) and not a barely got by them W against Oregon I’m gonna be feeling pretty good about this years team !! I trust Kirby Smart and his coaching staff. And speaking of that Kirby himself is more experienced now, wiser about the game as a HC competing at the Elite level. I don’t know if it’s temporary or about to be a landslide but Dabo & Clempsum seem to be in a pretty steep dive !! Go Dawgs !!

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    You are soooo clever. You should be coaching. LOL. Are you the father of a 20 yr old or are you a 20 yr old father? Based on your comments, my money's on the latter. When you get a little older and wet behind the ears, you'll be able to pick up what I'm puttin' down. In the meantime, I refuse to argue with ignorance. Get's us nowhere. Think what ya wanta think, I can't help you.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 428 ✭✭✭ Junior

    They'll be in the thick of it again Navy...count on it. Yeah, the Dawgs lost a lot of talent on defense, but, they're getting everybody back on offense, and some. Everybody that counts, anyway.

    Smart's defenses have performed in the upper tier of the Nation's defenses, since he's been at UGA. That's not going to change in 2022. They've got 4 guys from last year's defense coming back, that are projected 1st/2nd round draft picks. Nolan Smith, Chris Smith, Kelee Ringo and Jalen Carter. You can count on a few of the other guys to rise to the top, as well...such as Beal, last year's sack leader. Defense will be just fine. And, expect a marked improvement in the secondary, while everybody is forecasting doom and gloom. LOL

    Offense is where 2022's team will make it's distinct mark. The offense is going to be practically unstoppable. Monkin and Smart are going to use RBs and TEs with 2 WRs to run a hybrid Air-Raid style offense, typically run with an X, Y, Z receiver and flanker.

    With a veteran mobile QB running the offense, 4 of the most talented TEs in the Country, a healthy, talented RB/WR group and one of the best offensive line groups in the country...all of the pieces are in place for Monkin to "Unleash the Kraken". LOL. Nobody's gonna see it coming. While everybody is focused on 2021's Defense, UGA's been quietly putting together a 2022 Offense that will be one for the ages.

    Yep, their gonna repeat, in a way nobody saw coming...high flying offense, with solid defense. Just like nobody saw 2021's defensive dominance coming.

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