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Carson Beck vs. Brock Vandagriff: Kirby Smart’s opening remarks on Georgia QB competition

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  • ColumbusDawgColumbusDawg Posts: 547 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    He will keep it up as long as they are there. Definitely into the season. The question is, will BV be there come fall if he is not the starter? I think Beck will stay no matter what but, he might not like it if after patiently and admirably waiting his turn, he doesn't get the job if he thinks he is as good or better than the other guy.

    Beck, I love his attitude and commitment a lot. Even after BV committed to UGA not long after him, he did not waiver and go elsewhere with BV being from GA and him for FL.

    I am pulling for him but...may the best man win. And that is how it should be.

    Otherwise, we would not have had the legend of Stetson Bennett IV...and possibly no Natty

  • thadecthadec Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @ColumbusDawg

    No, Carson Beck isn't going to waste his college career and shot at an NFL contract by riding the UGA bench for 5 years. He is also not going to put himself in a position where he has only 1 year to impress the NFL and take the risk of the team that he goes to not being particularly good, not being invested in him (because they know that he will be gone in a year regardless) or getting hurt. If Beck isn't named the starter after spring he will hit the portal.

  • thadecthadec Posts: 611 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited March 2023

    @BigDawg61

    Anthony Richardson ran the 4th fastest time in history for a QB at the combine. (Two guys who ran similar times were moved to WR by the NFL). Add to that a 10 foot 9 inch broad jump and 40.5 inch vertical leap. And he did it at 6'4" 245 lbs. So BVG is no Richardson. Not even close.

    And as for Richardson's "accuracy problems" ... you might want to check Stetson Bennett IV's 2020 stats in that area for a much more talented than Florida in ages but still not exactly loaded UGA team - 56% with 8 TDs, 6 INTs and 2 benchings - and consider that if SB IV was in the mess that Richardson dealt with in Gainesville last season his "accuracy problems" would have been even worse.

    Richardson's story is interesting. Originally he was a lower profile recruit because he played at a high school that didn't have a tradition of producing major college talent so he just wasn't on anyone's radar, whether coaching staffs or recruiting services. He begged the Gators to give him a shot, but they ignored him until every single one of their other QB targets - including Carson Beck - committed elsewhere, at which point Mullen finally gave him an offer which he immediately accepted. After he committed to the Gators, the recruiting types went back and looked at his high school film and watched a few games. They came to 2 conclusions.

    1. He is VERY TALENTED, so his rating shot up from borderline 3 star to 4 stars immediately.
    2. He is VERY RAW and will need years of position coaching and to learn a college playbook, which is why it remained at the lower 4 star level, and he never became a top 200 recruit and no one made a real run at trying to pry him from the Gators (as they probably would have wanted to move him to WR, TE or defense).

    Now Mullen honestly wanted to continue with the more passing-oriented version of his offense that he was doing with Kyle Trask, and that he had done with Alex Smith previously at Utah. But since he failed to land Beck to do it with, then the plan was for Mullen to go back to the "Dak Prescott/Nick Fitzgerald" option heavy version, with Emory Jones playing for 2 years and then a more polished Richardson taking over. Didn't happen because of Mullen's aversion to recruiting. Instead the Gators - who never liked Jones anyway - scapegoated him for the losing in 2021, so Mullen threw Richardson to the wolves to save his job. Didn't work. Billy Napier took over and instead of sticking with a scheme that was similar to what Richardson played in high school and that he had spent 2 seasons learning under Mullen, Napier decided to put in a pro-style offense because "sacrificing wins today will mean better results down the line". With a raw option QB and Mullen's subpar spread personnel. Went about as well as you can expect. Especially when the same types who scapegoated Emory Jones trained their fire on Richardson. "A more accurate QB who is better at reading defenses and is a better leader" (typical dog whistle code word stuff) "would have won us more games against more talented and better coached teams!" So Richardson - who hated the fans bashing Jones also - got sick of the situation in Gainesville and just decided to bet on himself and enter the draft. Even better: nearly everyone on that Gators roster that was actually good either entered the draft with him or entered the transfer portal. So, Gator fans who were absolutely certain that they would go back to winning 10 games a year and threatening in the SEC East if only they could get Anthony Richardson out of the way so they could go back to - I don't know Rex Grossman and Jeff Driskel I guess - aren't thrilled. But hey, couldn't have happened to a classier group of people I guess.

    But between being overlooked - and not well coached - in high school to spending a nightmare 3 years in Gainesville, Richardson hasn't been in environments suited to developing his natural gifts. It is almost as if it would have been better for him had the Gators continued to blow him off and he had wound up at a smaller school like UCF or Liberty. The reason: even though some NFL team is going to invest a high draft pick in him, he is still nowhere near a finished product. He would have been much better off spending 4 years getting good coaching and playing time like Josh Allen and some of the other smaller school QBs did. Or gone to a major college that has a track record of coaching up and winning with 3 star players like Baylor, TCU, Purdue, Louisville, Wake Forest or Michigan State.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Lol...I don't "ride or die" on the statistics wagon, like some of you guys. I have eyes and 60 years of experience with the game, that tells me what a quarterback is doing and where his strengths and weaknesses lie.

    Many things can influence Statistics, that may or may not be relevant. You have to know how to read between the lines and identify the nuances. For instance...QB turnovers can be attributed to many things. Some are correctable...some aren't. Some can be attributed to the QB...some, not so much.

    I agree with you, in part. I think Richardson is one of the best athletes in the game...but, not at quarterback. He would need at least 2 years of intensive training to improve his accuracy, touch and defensive reads (which is his biggest weakness).

    I'm not going to rehash Bennett's career; however, he did, what Richardson isn't willing to do. He hung around and did what he needed to do, to improve his game. Bennett's career speaks for itself and he enters the draft as the best possible QB he can be....and, that's all you can ask for. Regardless, of the hype you hear from some of those guys on ESPN...there is no such thing as a "perfect quarterback". Lol

    I'm sure, in time, some reporter will even find a way to poke holes in Tom Brady's game, as he had weaknesses, too. But, he was aware of those weaknesses and built his game around them. They weren't career-killer flaws.

    Richardson's biggest weakness, is a career-killer. A lot of the passes he got away with at the collegiate level, will be interceptions at the professional level. Career-killer. He didn't seem to improve, one iota, between 2020 and 2022, in that area.

    If he had done, what Bennett did...coming from basically the same high school background...small South Georgia HS, no exposure, no special training, no camps, etc...he could possibly be a generational QB. But, he wasn't willing to hang around 2 more years, to gain the experience and training, he so badly needs. That's unfortunate.

    I expect, whichever team decides to take him on...will eventually convince him to move to another position. You can't have a gifted top round pick...if he indeed, does go in the first 2 rounds...ride the bench, for 3 or 4 years. That's not good business.

    It would take at the very least, 2 years, to get him up to speed. Even then...turnovers could be a problem. Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence were further ahead in development than Richardson, when they were drafted...and, both have been plagued by turnovers and pick-sixes. After 2 years...Lawrence finally broke out. Imagine Richardson on HIS current trajectory.

    On the other hand, regarding BVG.......Much like Bennett and Beck...BVG is doing exactly what he needs to do, to succeed. Lol...it's like my Dad used to say..."Successful people (players) are willing to do the things that others are unwilling to do, to be the best. If it was easy...everybody would do it.". Richardson hasn't shown me that...or, I haven't seen it...one or the other. I cannot see taking him in the 1st round...2nd round, maybe.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    BTW...I agree with you. Mullin was feeding the "press and the fans", snacks, to keep em at bay. But, it was over by the time he started firing people and throwing guys under the bus. Actually...it was over for him after the 2020 season....we just didn't know it yet. He was trying to get to the end of the season.

    Great coach and coordinator...but, not a HC in today's "College Football World". He is personally off-putting and doesn't handle face-to-face confrontation...or the press, very well. At least that's the way I see it. He's a lot like Monkin...he'll be back.

    He was wayyy behind the power curve in 2021...the press was onto it...and he knew it. His team was coming apart from within and he had nothing to add in that recruiting cycle

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