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donniemdonniem Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

Just read an article on USA Today describing the agreement between the NCAA and the power 5 conferences on how schools can pay athletes. Seems there will be a salary cap of some sort - $20 million I think it might be. Appears the NCAA will foot a lot of the cost for the first 10 years and then the $ would come from payments to the school from conferences and bowl games and TV revenues. Hmmm.

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    DawgBonesDawgBones Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    And right on que there was a related article in todays WSJ about Private Equity wanting in on College Sports.

    The Times They Are A-Changin.

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    dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,181 mod
    edited May 24

    Conferences are getting huge payouts from Disney for broadcasting rights. Players should get a piece.

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    MarkBoknechtMarkBoknecht Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Disney? But then I remembered Disney is part of ABC, or vice-versa. And I believe ABC is all-in on broadcasting college football games.

    ESPN-ABC will carry SEC games in 2024. CBS declined to renew its contract with the SEC with 2023 being the final year of a 2019 agreement.

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    Michael_ScarnMichael_Scarn Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    PG: "I like the salary cap idea, but it will just turn into the bag-man days when the caps are met."

    100% agree with you! Someone will ALWAYS look to take advantage of rules and loopholes to achieve competitive advantage.

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    Michael_ScarnMichael_Scarn Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    When you say "Players should get a piece" - are you talking about ALL student athletes, or just football players?

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    BEACHDAWGBEACHDAWG Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    It's not a question. All athletes in every sport.

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    donniemdonniem Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Will a field hockey player get a "piece" of the revenue that FB and BB bring in or just a "piece" of the revenue that field hockey brings in?

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    pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ultimately is should be a piece of what they bring in. Why should the swim team get a cut of football revenue? Worst case is you still have a scholarship and all the benefits that go along with that, so its not like they get nothing. Yes, a certain portion of football, baseball, basketball revenue is going to have to go towards supporting the Athletic Department as a whole, but as far as the players getting paid, it should be based on the sport. Those non-revenue sports athletes better get used to it because those are basically non-revenue sports in the professional ranks also. How much does a female professional field hockey player make?

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    Michael_ScarnMichael_Scarn Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    This is an area where there's a real understanding gap amongst sports fans.

    In most Power 5 institutions, Football and Basketball funds all or most of the non-revenue generating sports. The money provided by the Conference, which comes from a variety of sources, but primarily from television revenue, is then distributed to each school in equal shares. That money is put into a school's general account, which is then used by the schools athletic association to fund all expenses. It's up to the AD and Schools Athletic Board of Directors to determine line item expenditures, including how much money each sport will get to cover costs and any facility investments.

    I would counter by saying, why discriminate against swimmers or tennis players? They're all student athletes… or at least they were until House vs NCAA!

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    BumBum Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here comes a big tuition increase, you watch! The bubble is growing….

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    pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes. That's why I said a certain amount will need to be set aside to support the Athletic Department as a whole (meaning other teams). But suddenly there is a boat load of extra money floating around that schools are able to throw into these conglomerates or consortiums or whatever to pay players huge monthly sums (I mean, where did all this money suddenly come from???). Why should the field hockey get any of that money? Why does a true freshman on the dive team deserve money?

    There will always be scholarships available for all sports. That's law. And that has been more than enough for a hundred years….But I don't think that a scholarship in a non-revenue sport entitles you to a portion of the money generated by more popular and lucrative sports. If the Captain of the bowling team doesn't like that maybe he can try out for the football team.

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    donniemdonniem Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    agree. If the captain of the bowling team or a freshman diver can work out an NIL deal for themselves, so much the better. Perhaps this new model will allow more students to get full rides, especially if Lamborghini dealers aren't interested in the bowling market or the field hockey market.

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    dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,181 mod

    NIL is for all athletes. Every one can market themselves regardless of sport. Open market imho.

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    dawgnmsdawgnms Posts: 5,181 mod
    edited May 25

    Should be entire conference revenue spread out to cover all sports with the athletes of their individual sports free to market themselves for more $$$$.

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    pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    So all student athletes get an equal cut of the conference revenue?

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    MarkBoknechtMarkBoknecht Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @dawgnms I disagree. IMO this agreement is an extension of the television contracts for football and basketball. And to a lesser extent baseball.

    You suggest all athletes get paid the same. But they're not the same.

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    donniemdonniem Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 25

    Some (very few) minor sport athletes are doing well in the NIL world. The gymnast from LSU is apparently raking in cash. Until recently, women's BB didn't seem to generate the same interest as men's but that may be changing. I, too, wonder how Title IX will fit into all of this. Seems like a mess in the making.

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    WtkWtk Posts: 608 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    if they pay football/basketball players, one lawsuit and everybody gets paid. I am suprised the schools got involved. Even if the schools pay them, an indvidual can too.

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