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Allowing States To Permit Betting on Non-Professional Sporting Activities?

FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

States may now allow betting on sports, both professional and non-professional. Some states, including NJ and Delaware prohibit betting on instate college (perhaps other non-professional) teams. Pennsylvania recently passed a law allowing any sport to have wagers on the outcome or on performers in those contests. I do not know what Georgia law is on this. Curious how this forum feels about states permitting betting on non-professional sports.

Should states, other than, say, Nevada and NJ (due to Atlantic City) bar all betting on non-professional sports?

Comments

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 20,014 mod

    Absolutely. More tax income. And more fun watching games I normally couldn’t care about.

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Absolutely. More tax income. And more fun watching games I normally couldn’t care about.

    And that would include high school games and high school players as well, yes?

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 20,014 mod

    @FirePlugDawg said:

    @Kasey said:
    Absolutely. More tax income. And more fun watching games I normally couldn’t care about.

    And that would include high school games and high school players as well, yes?

    I’ve never seen high school games on a book. But if you say it happens, I would agree it need not be so. I would draw the line at college games

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 6,493 mod

    This law was said to be so monumental. When it doesn’t matter at all. If you have a phone or internet you can place a bet in 30 secs before this law came about. Now it’s good that you can now collect the tax from it, but other than that it’s no real change. Most people will probably stick with their normal/illegal bookies and websites. Why would you allow two states to do it and not the other 48? Especially when betting on non-professional games has been going on forever without the law in place.

  • VaBeachDawgVaBeachDawg Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:
    This law was said to be so monumental. When it doesn’t matter at all. If you have a phone or internet you can place a bet in 30 secs before this law came about. Now it’s good that you can now collect the tax from it, but other than that it’s no real change. Most people will probably stick with their normal/illegal bookies and websites. Why would you allow two states to do it and not the other 48? Especially when betting on non-professional games has been going on forever without the law in place.

    Yeah this 100%. Most of the cases against it are based on worst case senarios. The fact it this actually makes little to no difference other than treating all 50 states as... wait for it..... equal.

  • christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited May 2018

    The government determined that it (the government) was(& it has been for a long, long, long time now) it has been “missing out” on a very, very large stream of constant revenue around the clock, & throughout the calendar year as well. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON for this “monumental” change that has now occurred. Any other explanation IMHO is total & utter B.S. That’s my take, & (personally) I have no problem with it. This type of “illegal” gambling has been occurring since the beginning of time. Government is now (in effect) sanctioning it, is a way that they can get in on the action with taxation on the wagers. Government is NOT that smart. It was only a matter of time before they finally caught on to yet one more way to keep more (& different) streams of revenue flowing in.

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    One argument against allowing bets on college games is that unlike the pros, college kids are not paid, and have relatively little to lose if caught (versus what they could get to throw a single game). Comments, please.

    And how many agree that bets on high school games/activities and HS players ought to be banned?

  • VaBeachDawgVaBeachDawg Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @FirePlugDawg said:
    One argument against allowing bets on college games is that unlike the pros, college kids are not paid, and have relatively little to lose if caught (versus what they could get to throw a single game). Comments, please.

    And how many agree that bets on high school games/activities and HS players ought to be banned?

    That would make sense to me if the situation was reversed. For example if we were going from every state having a legal book(s) to online gambling I would want to know how you would plan on finding players rig a game, effect a spread, or senario like with prop bets. But it’s the opposite. I’m my estimation, this change would be a MORE risky and difficult way to bet. It’s flat out less effort with very little chance of getting caught to have a third party place bets for you online, but no one was worried about that last year. To me it’s a lot of big changes so people are naturally unsettled by it. I haven’t thought about HS enough to give a real opinion on that.

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    To explore this in a crude way, not that I understand the process. With a large pool of bettors (most states allowing betting on college teams), odds are determined over a broad range of bets. If the pool is large, wouldn't that hide a large bet more easily, allowing someone to pay a player to pooch a punt, fall down on coverage, etc., with less chance of detection? Same for some type of novelty bet, or a proposition bet, right?

    Plus bets on games could be done within the legal system or outside it - side bet type betting. With a large pool of bettor in the legal betting system, that would give the sucker comfort that the odds are correct, so that a counter bet to the odds by the cheater would seem more risky for the cheater, and the sucker would go make the bet.

    Betting aside, and putting my cards on the table (see what I did there?) I think it is not good to have non-professional sports bet upon. Must make allowance for Nevada because it is 'grandfathered in', but that should be it. (Okay, NJ too because of Atlantic City. )

  • ghostofuga1ghostofuga1 Posts: 7,279 mod

    The State of Georgia is still living in a 1950's mindset. Sure, we've advanced somewhat over the years, but we don't have legalized gambling and voted down on any attempt to get it. We are way behind in the Medical Cannabis fight and still have dry counties and no Sunday alcohol sales in areas.

    Sports betting? When pigs fly over the Golden Dome..........

  • ReeldawgReeldawg Posts: 971 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:

    @FirePlugDawg said:

    @Kasey said:
    Absolutely. More tax income. And more fun watching games I normally couldn’t care about.

    And that would include high school games and high school players as well, yes?

    I’ve never seen high school games on a book. But if you say it happens, I would agree it need not be so. I would draw the line at college games

    There are a couple of books that offer lines on HS football. They usually only offer big name schools and games like Grayson v. IMG.

    I use to gamble all the time and the more options, the better. HS sports; however, bothered me. I always felt like anyone betting or being part of the process should be an adult. I also didn’t care for the negative attention that the media gave to these books.

    As for College and Pro sports, I am all for it. It already exists so the States may want a piece of the action.

    I do worry about first timers. It takes years to learn how to win on a consistent basis. Newcomers should also be aware that most matching bonus offers are predatory.

  • levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The government should only be stepping into social issues when things get out of hand. When it’s clear there’s a problem that’s not being handled other ways. Does gambling make driving on our highways more dangerous?

    At most governments should be forcing the gambling companies to set aside money for treatment for the handful of people who do fall into a gambling addiction. Or making sure the gambling companies aren’t enabling people who obviously have a problem. Reputable casinos will kick you out if it becomes obvious you’re doing something **** like mortgaging your house.

  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 6,493 mod

    @FirePlugDawg said:
    One argument against allowing bets on college games is that unlike the pros, college kids are not paid, and have relatively little to lose if caught (versus what they could get to throw a single game). Comments, please.

    And how many agree that bets on high school games/activities and HS players ought to be banned?

    I’ve seen a show on people betting at pee wee football games. You’re not going to stop betting, and there’s little you can do to try to enforce any laws on it, as it’s too easy to hide. If a kid throws a high school game I don’t really care. The bookie/bettor can take the loss, and learn not to take bets on high school games. Don’t think there will ever be enough demand on high school games for this to be a problem. And there’s enough for a kid to lose in college to not make it worth it. For one, it’s illegal. Two, it puts your education in question. Also, with or without this law, betting will still take place. So absolutely nothing has changed after all this.

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