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Kirby may have a slow simmering Will Muschamp problem

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  • MeR3htidMeR3htid ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Well my wife told me to put my Justin Fields pom poms down and sit back and enjoy the Jake Fromm show which will probably last thru his Jr season. He'll probably get srong consideration as the #1 overall pick if he comes out early which with that kinda money on the table he probably should although I know he's not in any financial hardship like many kids r. That scenario would give us 5 years of stellar QB play, 3 with Fromm and 2 with Justin I think DAWGNATION could live with that.

  • umoonerumooner ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Recruiting Tiers by Me

    Tier 1: Bama, UGA
    Tier 1a: Ohio St

    Tier 2: Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Auburn, Clemson (unique recruiting), Miami, Florida St, USC, Penn St

    Tier 3: South Carolina, Washington, Nebraska, Oregon, UNC

    Definitely missing teams that should be in tiers 2 and 3, and those tiers are very close with teams moving up and down within them. Ohio State was ahead of UGA until the 2018 class, and they were better than Bama in 2018...but I still think Bama and UGA are on a different level currently overall.

    South Carolina has recruited better than us on the DL for the past two classes, but that’s it, and that’s about to even out after the 19 and 20 classes. Our current DL is better than their current one too. We literally stole Channing Tindall from Columbia!

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Got a feeling those Channing Tindall types r gonna be extra hard to pull out of S.C. in the future especially considering that Dabo also has a strong in-state brand. Not to suggest that S. Carolinas brand is strong or anything but the victories that he's (Muschamp) winning on the recruiting trail will start to payoff on Saturdays and they've always given us trouble no matter the talent disparity.

  • southsidedawgsouthsidedawg ✭✭ Sophomore

    What's a thorn in the side when you got
    Your foot on the SEC East throat?....

  • JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @MeR3htid said:
    That's the thing. If he can hold his own in regard to competing against Clemson for the couple handful of blue chippers S. Carolina produces every year, and pluck a few from Florida where he obviously has ties as well as Georgia and Tennessee he will b a small problem down the roa

    USCjr has 19 four star recruits on roster. UGA has 14-15 five star recruits and 40something four stars. How long will it take Muschamp to catch up?

  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The biggest difference maker in my opinion between USCjr vs UGA is the Offensive Line. I am also a firm believer that a good defense paired with a good offensive line is what really makes the difference in a teams capabilities

    FBS average offensive lineman is 6'4" and 305 pounds
    SEC has the largest average at 6'4.5" and 312.2 pounds

    in 2018 the current predicted depth chart places UGA at 6'5" and 315.4 pounds. If a few shifts happen the O-line for UGA could average 6'5.5" and 328 pounds. The offensive line is only getting bigger for our guys as well

    USCjr will have an O-line that averages 6'4.4" and 303.6 pounds this year

    Lets add this to O-line recruiting and talent since 2016

    UGA:
    2016: one 4* and no 5*
    2017 three 4* and one 5*
    2018 three 4* and two 5*

    total of 7 four star players and 3 five star players on the offensive line over 3 years for the good guys

    South Carolina has landed just 2 four star offensive lineman since 2016 and no five stars. They also completely lack depth at the position.

    2016: no 4* and no 5*
    2017 no 4* and no 5*
    2018 two 4* and no 5*

    In 2019 as of now:

    UGA: two 4* and no 5*
    USCjr: no 4* or 5*

  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    While I am on the subject of offensive line... what Pittman has done is absolutely incredible so far

    in 2015 our offensive line was 290 pounds on average (second to last in the entire SEC)
    the largest offensive line average in 2015 was Arkansas (Pittman was the 0-line coach) with an average of 311.7

    UGA's offensive line 3 years later goes from second to last to currently second from the largest

    back to the USCjr comparison is that in 2015 they averaged 305 pounds per offensive lineman... they are almost identical to that 3 years later. We are making leaping strides in every aspect of our game

  • JayDogJayDog ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    We should not be deluded by "star" ratings and talent gaps. That is not science. A lot of unheralded players are late bloomers. Many 4 and 5 stars don't live up to potential. But then again, with proper attitude and coaching--those "stars" may actually mean something. How many championships has Ohio State won with all their 4 and 5 star recruits? The point is--we don't know how good a team will be until they play the games.

    The above is just as true for Georgia as it is for SC. I don't think we should worry about SC any more than any other team. Every team can beat you on a given day. I believe our talent will make a difference because I believe in our coaching staff. So don't worry about the other guy. Take care of your own business--it's all you can do.

  • PharmDawg2054PharmDawg2054 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JayDog said:
    We should not be deluded by "star" ratings and talent gaps. That is not science. A lot of unheralded players are late bloomers. Many 4 and 5 stars don't live up to potential. But then again, with proper attitude and coaching--those "stars" may actually mean something. How many championships has Ohio State won with all their 4 and 5 star recruits? The point is--we don't know how good a team will be until they play the games.

    The above is just as true for Georgia as it is for SC. I don't think we should worry about SC any more than any other team. Every team can beat you on a given day. I believe our talent will make a difference because I believe in our coaching staff. So don't worry about the other guy. Take care of your own business--it's all you can do.

    In

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2613145-do-top-10-recruiting-classes-really-equal-championships

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/8/22/17606048/blue-chip-ratio-2018

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/7/26/17607382/blue-chip-ratio-recruit-national-title-championship-playoff

    https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/history-shows-national-titles-require-great-not-just-good-recruiting-over-4-years/

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2018

    @mattmd2 said:
    I thought this was going to be a thread about heartburn problems. Has anyone else noticed Kirby's behavior during press conferences? I swear he's dealing with heartburn / indigestion up there. He always looks like he just finished a big bowl of chili. Someone get the man some antacid.

    In my opinion, Kirby could roll in with a CPAP mask and a throat mic and all would be Jake , as long as he recruits and wins at the current level. Go Dawgs!

  • BiffLowmanBiffLowman ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    For the sake of argument, is Lou Holtz a "coaching legend"? He had good years, yes, but I think an argument can be made that he isn't a legend. He had a 249-132-7, .651 Win%, but he also had 8 losing seasons...with one of them being 0-11.

    Thoughts?

    https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/lou-holtz-1.html

  • BankwalkerBankwalker ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BiffLowman said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    For the sake of argument, is Lou Holtz a "coaching legend"? He had good years, yes, but I think an argument can be made that he isn't a legend. He had a 249-132-7, .651 Win%, but he also had 8 losing seasons...with one of them being 0-11.

    Thoughts?

    https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/lou-holtz-1.html

    Only coach to take 6 programs to a bowl (and before there were a zillion bowls), and to have 4 different programs finish in the Top 20 (they didnt always rank the Top 25 - something that was probably done as a participation trophy for millenials).

  • BankwalkerBankwalker ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    This wont be popular...from an Xs and Os standpoint a person could make a strong argument that Will Muschamp is a superior DC to CKS. I’d take Kirby over him as HC all day everyday. He’s certainly done it at more programs and has fielded Top 10 defenses nearly every year he has been a coach, including 11 of 13 years as either a DC or HC in the SEC prior to taking over SC. Won a NC at LSU and played for one at Texas. He has proven again and again that he doesnt need the best players at every position.

  • PerroGrandePerroGrande ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I agree the unknown is how good our O line is this year. They were still growing at the end of last year, and they were blocking, perhaps, the two best D lines in the country from the state next door for the last month or so. They could be scary good this year. That would make the D line a lot better, having to face the best every day in practice. We’ll find out how much they have improved in Columbia. Will will have the Gamecocks ready and WB will be loud and obnoxious. There is nothing like a great O line to tranquilize the opposing fan base, though.

  • MeR3htidMeR3htid ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    He (Muschamp) may see this as more of a stepping stone job to audition for better job. And if he can win 9 games or more again this year he'll b well on his way to getting that opportunity. When LSU fires Orgeron either this year or next Muschamp will be on their short list. But I don't see him leaving SC for anything less than a blueblood program like LSU.

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