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Kirby may have a slow simmering Will Muschamp problem

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    Spurrier was pretty successful there. I think he hit their ceiling though.
    Going back at least to the early 1990s when I lived in South Carolina, their administrators had a reputation as being less than helpful.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @donm said:

    @dbrown7494 said:
    I’m just going to say that Muschump has always recruited the defensive side of the ball very well. We can even look at his Florida days to see that. Now where he lacks is on the offensive side of the ball. He hasn’t been able to recruit that side of the ball very strongly like Kirby and co have been able to do.

    So, we are doing better than SC on the O side of the ball and, at least for right now, SC is having a bit more success in the D side of the ball?

    No way Jose. We out recruit them in every area, with the possible exception of interior DL.

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  • tfk_fanboytfk_fanboy Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    Well, I guess it depends on how you define "failed to do anything"

    They did have back to back to back 11 win seasons under Spurrier. Think they were like 18-2 at home at one point under him too. Before Spurrier USC had been to 11 bowl games and only won three, two of which were under Holtz. So prior to Lou Holtz they were 1 and 8 in bowls. That is over like 70 years

    Under Spurrier alone they were 5-4. So he went to as almost as many bowls in his run at USC as the school did its entire previous history. And he won more. He also brought them to their first division title. And they went undefeated in the East another year (UGA ended up winning the division that year though)

    Spurrier also went 5-0 at one point vs Clemson, their first ever win at Florida, defeated a #1 ranked Alabama, and beat UGA 3x in a row

    I think that is USC's ceiling, and they may never have a run like that again, but they did not fail to do anything

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  • tfk_fanboytfk_fanboy Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @tfk_fanboy said:
    When coming in new it is easier to sell recruits on early playing time. Heck, Kirby did it too

    But once those cupboards are stocked, or well equipped at least, can you still sell that talent to sign? Because if the program is not winning it becomes harder.

    Kirby sold on competition and playing time. As a result UGA is a winning program. Now he can sell a winner and competition.

    Muschamp needs to win. Otherwise the recruiting will dip

    Muschamp has been at SC the same amount of time Kirby has been at UGA.
    Too much is being made of a few kids deciding to go to SC.

    I don't disagree, was just addressing the general point of the OP

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  • ghostofuga1ghostofuga1 Posts: 9,232 mod

    @tfk_fanboy said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    Well, I guess it depends on how you define "failed to do anything"

    They did have back to back to back 11 win seasons under Spurrier. Think they were like 18-2 at home at one point under him too. Before Spurrier USC had been to 11 bowl games and only won three, two of which were under Holtz. So prior to Lou Holtz they were 1 and 8 in bowls. That is over like 70 years

    Under Spurrier alone they were 5-4. So he went to as almost as many bowls in his run at USC as the school did its entire previous history. And he won more. He also brought them to their first division title. And they went undefeated in the East another year (UGA ended up winning the division that year though)

    Spurrier also went 5-0 at one point vs Clemson, their first ever win at Florida, defeated a #1 ranked Alabama, and beat UGA 3x in a row

    I think that is USC's ceiling, and they may never have a run like that again, but they did not fail to do anything

    If Muschamp were to win an SEC Championship, he would accomplish something no other coach in the history of SC has ever done. If he were to win the East division, he would tie the number of times they've ever won under any coach.

    He make make it to legendary status as SC's coach someday.......but not anytime soon....

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  • mattmd2mattmd2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I thought this was going to be a thread about heartburn problems. Has anyone else noticed Kirby's behavior during press conferences? I swear he's dealing with heartburn / indigestion up there. He always looks like he just finished a big bowl of chili. Someone get the man some antacid.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,983 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @tfk_fanboy said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    Well, I guess it depends on how you define "failed to do anything"

    They did have back to back to back 11 win seasons under Spurrier. Think they were like 18-2 at home at one point under him too. Before Spurrier USC had been to 11 bowl games and only won three, two of which were under Holtz. So prior to Lou Holtz they were 1 and 8 in bowls. That is over like 70 years

    Under Spurrier alone they were 5-4. So he went to as almost as many bowls in his run at USC as the school did its entire previous history. And he won more. He also brought them to their first division title. And they went undefeated in the East another year (UGA ended up winning the division that year though)

    Spurrier also went 5-0 at one point vs Clemson, their first ever win at Florida, defeated a #1 ranked Alabama, and beat UGA 3x in a row

    I think that is USC's ceiling, and they may never have a run like that again, but they did not fail to do anything

    Spurrier improved them, but he still only won the SECE once and promptly got an historic beatdown in the SECCG. So, unless you count winning the SECE as "something", neither he nor Holtz did squat.

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  • tfk_fanboytfk_fanboy Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited August 2018

    @pgjackson said:

    @tfk_fanboy said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    Well, I guess it depends on how you define "failed to do anything"

    They did have back to back to back 11 win seasons under Spurrier. Think they were like 18-2 at home at one point under him too. Before Spurrier USC had been to 11 bowl games and only won three, two of which were under Holtz. So prior to Lou Holtz they were 1 and 8 in bowls. That is over like 70 years

    Under Spurrier alone they were 5-4. So he went to as almost as many bowls in his run at USC as the school did its entire previous history. And he won more. He also brought them to their first division title. And they went undefeated in the East another year (UGA ended up winning the division that year though)

    Spurrier also went 5-0 at one point vs Clemson, their first ever win at Florida, defeated a #1 ranked Alabama, and beat UGA 3x in a row

    I think that is USC's ceiling, and they may never have a run like that again, but they did not fail to do anything

    Spurrier improved them, but he still only won the SECE once and promptly got an historic beatdown in the SECCG. So, unless you count winning the SECE as "something", neither he nor Holtz did squat.

    so UGA also "failed to do anything" from 2006 to 2016 then? UGA did squat that period of time?

    also, you might have missed it, but I def. typed more than just saying winning the SECE as something. I typed quite a bit more.

    And that same Auburn team beat UGA by 18 that season.

    Really, if winning the division is squat then by your metric almost every team in the country regularly fails to do anything year over year

    based on your standards there are, at most, only 5 teams every year that are not failures and who did more than squat

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  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    They can have the ones we don’t want

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  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    SC will always have to recruit against their location. Spurrier did help improve the situation and I think Muschamp will build on it. But let's be clear--we can't get all the 4 and 5 stars out of Georgia every season. Georgia wants 'em all. Just don't have enough scholarships.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,983 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JayDog said:
    SC will always have to recruit against their location. Spurrier did help improve the situation and I think Muschamp will build on it. But let's be clear--we can't get all the 4 and 5 stars out of Georgia every season. Georgia wants 'em all. Just don't have enough scholarships.

    Spurrier improved SC...but then also left a huge mess. 7-6 and 2-4 in his last two seasons. I think he realized that it was a fruitless endeavor and left mid-season in total disgust.

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  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:

    @JayDog said:
    SC will always have to recruit against their location. Spurrier did help improve the situation and I think Muschamp will build on it. But let's be clear--we can't get all the 4 and 5 stars out of Georgia every season. Georgia wants 'em all. Just don't have enough scholarships.

    Spurrier improved SC...but then also left a huge mess. 7-6 and 2-4 in his last two seasons. I think he realized that it was a fruitless endeavor and left mid-season in total disgust.

    They had a long way to go just to get from worst to merely bad.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,983 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @JayDog said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @JayDog said:
    SC will always have to recruit against their location. Spurrier did help improve the situation and I think Muschamp will build on it. But let's be clear--we can't get all the 4 and 5 stars out of Georgia every season. Georgia wants 'em all. Just don't have enough scholarships.

    Spurrier improved SC...but then also left a huge mess. 7-6 and 2-4 in his last two seasons. I think he realized that it was a fruitless endeavor and left mid-season in total disgust.

    They had a long way to go just to get from worst to merely bad.

    True. And I think they are right back where they started prior to Spurrier.

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  • umoonerumooner Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @PerroGrande said:

    @WCDawg said:

    Muschamp has been at SC the same amount of time Kirby has been at UGA.
    Too much is being made of a few kids deciding to go to SC.

    Great point, but I think Muschamp has done a tremendous job, too. The talent at SC was so bad, Spurrier just up and quit, and it looked pretty grim. Muschamp has not only brought a lot of hope, he is collecting quite a number of high star players, particularly on D. I expect SC’s improvement to be another factor in the ascension of the SEC East.

    The only player SC has committed that we would have allowed to commit to us is Daniel, it's not exactly a crisis

    Pickens, but we’ll see where he ends up.

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  • christopheruleschristopherules Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    Two coaching legends failed to do anything with SC. i doubt Muschamp is going to be any better.

    The heat & that crowd will be the biggest problem at Williams-Brice on September 8th, NOT the coaching, & NOT the talent out on the field either. GO DAWGS!!!

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