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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,975 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @LowcountryDawg21 said:
    I think it’s worth asking ourselves whether the leader referred to above (and others in leadership in our country) is/are the cause of the current state of affairs or the result of a longstanding change in our general discourse in our country?

    I think it’s also worth asking ourselves whether we have the ability, through our vote, our choice of who and what we listen to, and the way we live our own lives, to change the direction of that discourse.

    The right to speak doesn’t confer the right to be heard. The speaker must earn that. If we don’t like what we’re hearing, we should turn it off until the message changes.

    We’re still a free people, and we still have agency. We need to act like it.

    Good stuff. The problem is with people who feel emboldened (and supported by their political leaders) to physically threaten and intimidate others they disagree with. That is the terrifying part. It's not enough for them to simply state their opposition and let others decide which is better. They want to silence and demonize the opposition through constant mobs, attacks, threats, and riotous behavior. They want to make sure that everyone understands that if you disagree with them they will suffer the same retribution. They are not interested in polite discourse or a sharing of ideas. They want conversion and control. Do these mobs of angry rioters represent your political leanings? If so, you are part of the problem.

    I hope everyone does some serious soul-searching before voting in the mid-terms. There is a wave of political violence sweeping the country that is unacceptable in a peaceful and lawful society. Even if you fundamentally disagree with a particular political party, are you willing to support the side that actively encourages the intimidation of its citizens and believes public shaming and humiliation are effective and acceptable methods to address issues? This mid-term election is bigger than just typical political issues like immigration, the economy, national security, jobs...it's about what kind of country do we want to live in. I certainly don't want to live in a country where roving bands of rioters control the political process and the rule of law is supplanted by the rule of emotionalism.

    History is replete with societies that got lost in cult like hatred.

    Yep.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @levander said:
    The problem with the national conversation started in the media. Where way too many people just decided it’s a lot easier to make a buck mud slinging rather than to try to educate people. It’s to the point know where it’s impossible to find a legitimate news source covering politics. And then more and more people wanted more and more partisan leaders. You guys who don’t realize what a terrible partisan Obama was were entirely hoodwinked. And then it got to the point where in a general way, 51% of the nation felt like we needed a big mouth to be president to try to beat some of this nonsense back.

    This whole thing is part of a process. Acting like there’s just one guy causing it all and if we’d just vote for someone different... You’re still gonna have the underlying fundamental problem of a nation who doesn’t know how to discuss issues. And maybe it doesn’t manifest itself through Trump. But it manifests itself in other ways. And not being able to discuss real problems that need to be fixed, it’s gonna manifest itself in terribly **** ways. A lot uglier than just having to have a president who tweets mean things,

    When you have leaders calling mostly peaceful people rapist and murderers, constantly calling the press and the opposition enemies of the people, etc, etc, it will find its way into vulnerable minds and lead to sick actions, that is 100% predictable.

    We can be better than this.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

    I didn't question your intellect, intellect can take you in all manner of directions.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

    I didn't question your intellect, intellect can take you in all manner of directions.

    You still called me clueless. You forgot your own mantra, words matter!

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

    I didn't question your intellect, intellect can take you in all manner of directions.

    You still called me clueless. You forgot your own mantra, words matter!

    My words are not inflammatory.

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  • TeddyTeddy Posts: 7,109 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

    I didn't question your intellect, intellect can take you in all manner of directions.

    You still called me clueless. You forgot your own mantra, words matter!

    My words are not inflammatory.

    So, now you're telling me how my own feelings work when being called names?

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,975 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:
    The problem with the national conversation started in the media. Where way too many people just decided it’s a lot easier to make a buck mud slinging rather than to try to educate people. It’s to the point know where it’s impossible to find a legitimate news source covering politics. And then more and more people wanted more and more partisan leaders. You guys who don’t realize what a terrible partisan Obama was were entirely hoodwinked. And then it got to the point where in a general way, 51% of the nation felt like we needed a big mouth to be president to try to beat some of this nonsense back.

    This whole thing is part of a process. Acting like there’s just one guy causing it all and if we’d just vote for someone different... You’re still gonna have the underlying fundamental problem of a nation who doesn’t know how to discuss issues. And maybe it doesn’t manifest itself through Trump. But it manifests itself in other ways. And not being able to discuss real problems that need to be fixed, it’s gonna manifest itself in terribly **** ways. A lot uglier than just having to have a president who tweets mean things,

    When you have leaders calling mostly peaceful people rapist and murderers, constantly calling the press and the opposition enemies of the people, etc, etc, it will find its way into vulnerable minds and lead to sick actions, that is 100% predictable.

    We can be better than this.

    That is an incredibly one-sided and biased way of looking at things.

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  • levanderlevander Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:
    The problem with the national conversation started in the media. Where way too many people just decided it’s a lot easier to make a buck mud slinging rather than to try to educate people. It’s to the point know where it’s impossible to find a legitimate news source covering politics. And then more and more people wanted more and more partisan leaders. You guys who don’t realize what a terrible partisan Obama was were entirely hoodwinked. And then it got to the point where in a general way, 51% of the nation felt like we needed a big mouth to be president to try to beat some of this nonsense back.

    This whole thing is part of a process. Acting like there’s just one guy causing it all and if we’d just vote for someone different... You’re still gonna have the underlying fundamental problem of a nation who doesn’t know how to discuss issues. And maybe it doesn’t manifest itself through Trump. But it manifests itself in other ways. And not being able to discuss real problems that need to be fixed, it’s gonna manifest itself in terribly **** ways. A lot uglier than just having to have a president who tweets mean things,

    When you have leaders calling mostly peaceful people rapist and murderers, constantly calling the press and the opposition enemies of the people, etc, etc, it will find its way into vulnerable minds and lead to sick actions, that is 100% predictable.

    We can be better than this.

    You’re entirely buying into how falsely our current day media reports the news. Why even bother to think about this stuff if you’re not gonna be aware that the right wing defense is that Trump did not call the press enemies of the people. He called fake news enemies of the people. I could go into the couple of other examples you listed. But you’ve already moved passed them, and accepted what is reported in left wing news media as if it were truth. If you’re going to think about these things, why wouldn’t you first try to understand what the story is of the people you are condemning?

    Trump has made comments clarifying he doesn’t consider the press enemies of the people. But you just ignore it, just like most of the left wing news media does.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:
    The problem with the national conversation started in the media. Where way too many people just decided it’s a lot easier to make a buck mud slinging rather than to try to educate people. It’s to the point know where it’s impossible to find a legitimate news source covering politics. And then more and more people wanted more and more partisan leaders. You guys who don’t realize what a terrible partisan Obama was were entirely hoodwinked. And then it got to the point where in a general way, 51% of the nation felt like we needed a big mouth to be president to try to beat some of this nonsense back.

    This whole thing is part of a process. Acting like there’s just one guy causing it all and if we’d just vote for someone different... You’re still gonna have the underlying fundamental problem of a nation who doesn’t know how to discuss issues. And maybe it doesn’t manifest itself through Trump. But it manifests itself in other ways. And not being able to discuss real problems that need to be fixed, it’s gonna manifest itself in terribly **** ways. A lot uglier than just having to have a president who tweets mean things,

    When you have leaders calling mostly peaceful people rapist and murderers, constantly calling the press and the opposition enemies of the people, etc, etc, it will find its way into vulnerable minds and lead to sick actions, that is 100% predictable.

    We can be better than this.

    That is an incredibly one-sided and biased way of looking at things.

    No it's not.
    There is no comparison to the vitriol coming from the leader of the free world. These sick people make it clear that is their source of reference.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Teddy said:
    I try not to blame someone for other people's wrongdoings... And I missed the part where leaders are promoting pipe bombings and shootings.

    Of course you did.

    Yeah, I'm not a mentally ill person.

    I'll make this one point.

    You're not mentally, ill, unfortunately many are, some see political rabble rousing and send bombs or shoot old people in places of worship. Again though, I know you're not reachable, this post really isn't meant for you so much as others who might be more receptive.

    Glad you're using your enlightened views to reach the huge masses of people on DawgNation. Clearly DawgNation is the best platform to do your good deed and enlighten the masses. All hail the great WCDawg for his great work in solving life's biggest issues. Now we know that WORDS MATTER, and that's the reason people shoot and bomb each other. D@mn words! We need to ban words now, because they've clearly caused more deaths than even AR-15s.

    Everywhere is a good platform. Political sites are actually the worst choice because only the most politically extreme people visit them, you'll never reach that type.
    Honestly Teddy, you seem completely clueless, I wonder if you have any sense of history.

    It's not nice to call me "clueless" and question my intellect on history, that hurts me, what if I did a bad thing now? Pot meet kettle

    I didn't question your intellect, intellect can take you in all manner of directions.

    You still called me clueless. You forgot your own mantra, words matter!

    My words are not inflammatory.

    So, now you're telling me how my own feelings work when being called names?

    This isn't kindergarten you're not likely to commit mass murder because you feel I hurt your feelings.

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  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,975 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The left likes to blame the president for creating all this hatred and emotionalism and general chaos that the left has unleashed on society (lets be honest, it’s not conservative groups out there rioting, harassing people, chasing them out of restaurants and threatening violence if they don’t get their way). Trump didn’t create this hatred, he revealed it. It has always been there on the left. They have been in charge for a long time so there was no need for these intimidation tactics. You simply can not blame others for your bad behavior. There is no such thing as “triggering”. That is a lazy person’s excuse. That used to be called immaturity and childishness.

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  • bigdawg2223bigdawg2223 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    The left likes to blame the president for creating all this hatred and emotionalism and general chaos that the left has unleashed on society (lets be honest, it’s not conservative groups out there rioting, harassing people, chasing them out of restaurants and threatening violence if they don’t get their way). Trump didn’t create this hatred, he revealed it. It has always been there on the left. They have been in charge for a long time so there was no need for these intimidation tactics. You simply can not blame others for your bad behavior. There is no such thing as “triggering”. That is a lazy person’s excuse. That used to be called immaturity and childishness.

    Easy with the realism, liberals don’t like it.

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  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:
    The left likes to blame the president for creating all this hatred and emotionalism and general chaos that the left has unleashed on society (lets be honest, it’s not conservative groups out there rioting, harassing people, chasing them out of restaurants and threatening violence if they don’t get their way). Trump didn’t create this hatred, he revealed it. It has always been there on the left. They have been in charge for a long time so there was no need for these intimidation tactics. You simply can not blame others for your bad behavior. There is no such thing as “triggering”. That is a lazy person’s excuse. That used to be called immaturity and childishness.

    I don't condone any harassment from either side.
    There is no equivalent to the POTUS being a constant hate mongering, rabble rouser though.

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  • bigdawg2223bigdawg2223 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @levander said:
    The problem with the national conversation started in the media. Where way too many people just decided it’s a lot easier to make a buck mud slinging rather than to try to educate people. It’s to the point know where it’s impossible to find a legitimate news source covering politics. And then more and more people wanted more and more partisan leaders. You guys who don’t realize what a terrible partisan Obama was were entirely hoodwinked. And then it got to the point where in a general way, 51% of the nation felt like we needed a big mouth to be president to try to beat some of this nonsense back.

    This whole thing is part of a process. Acting like there’s just one guy causing it all and if we’d just vote for someone different... You’re still gonna have the underlying fundamental problem of a nation who doesn’t know how to discuss issues. And maybe it doesn’t manifest itself through Trump. But it manifests itself in other ways. And not being able to discuss real problems that need to be fixed, it’s gonna manifest itself in terribly **** ways. A lot uglier than just having to have a president who tweets mean things,

    When you have leaders calling mostly peaceful people rapist and murderers, constantly calling the press and the opposition enemies of the people, etc, etc, it will find its way into vulnerable minds and lead to sick actions, that is 100% predictable.

    We can be better than this.

    I’m not going to say anything other than this. How many times have the media been caught lying to the people to support what ever agendas they might have?

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