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State of Mississippi Flag
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Would love to hear more of your perspective as some one who has made several trips to a Native American reservation and spent time with those wonderful people...
The poor treatment of Native Americans in the US just doesn't seem to flow naturally in a conversation about the Mississippi state flag which is why no one brought it up. I do agree it isn't talked about enough in general. Is there something in particular you want people to be more aware of?
It’s funny that people think the crossed Army of Northern VA battle flag is the “confederate” flag when Ga’s new state flag is what actually looks like the original national flag of the CSA.
Ignorance is bliss.
This thread is making me miss last year’s Justin Fields debates.
Yes, history is messy and requires context. The first national flag was too easily mistaken for Old Glory at First Manassas so was replaced with something more distinct and recognizable to adjacent Confederate units in the field.
Until the middle of the 20th century, the battle flag was always held in reverence and flown at commemorations and on Confederate Memorial Day until the Dixiecrats adopted it in 1948 as a segregationist symbol when Strom Thurmond ran for president. While many viewed the battle flag as a protest symbol during and after de-segregation most southerners still regarded the flag as a tribute to the valor displayed by those who fought for it.
Ole Miss has a unique claim to honor their Confederate dead as the University Greys, a unit consisting of nearly the entire student body, suffered 100% casualties at Gettysburg.
If we study the greatest men in history, very few reputations would survive our 21st Century enlightened standards intact and we risk further ignorance by purging everything we find distasteful while trying to satisfy a mob. Talk about your moving goal posts.
Let the voters in Mississippi decide what to do with their flag and let them live with the consequences.
Does changing the state flag of Mississippi cause ignorance? I've never understood why keeping confederate symbols and statues on public land and in government buildings is so important for history. Don't most people read to learn about history or go to a museum?
What can you tell me about George Washington from this picture other than he is a man worth memorializing?
No, bending to every whim of the mob promotes ignorance. For instance, we're living through the early stages of a 2nd French Revolution, but very few people remember from their Western Civ course that feeding the great terror didn't end well for anyone but Napoleon.
Moving the goal posts is an appropriate phrase here. When Georgia changed the flag, we were told it was because the battle flag had been adopted by white supremacy groups and the KKK. Those in favor of keeping the flag argued that it was about the heritage of the South. The other side said that wasn’t true, that it was about hate. So the flag was changed. Now we are being told anything related to our heritage is racist. Let this be a reminder to everyone during the next gun control debate.
As for Mississippi, yeah they should change their flag. Georgia did it. People were upset. People (mostly) got over it.
Looks like UGA is trying to get ahead of this by forming a committee to study the naming of buildings on campus.
Actions not words. What a **** threat to make by that player. He’s not going to play again until the flag is changed? He should just go ahead and transfer and announce the reason why. How does he think it even remotely possible for Mississippi to change the flag before football season? It will take months.
Can you point to a recent event that is similar to the Jacobins storming the royal residence and arresting the king followed by the execution of hundreds of counter revolutionaries?
Similarities are numerous but I'll give you just one example:
History is replete with examples of well intended movements which were later hijacked by mobs. The resulting chaos typically ends in tyranny not greater liberty or equality.
everyone knows (or should) Shaun King is an opportunistic clown who "just says stuff" to get a reaction. he's been denounced by BLM for stealing money. I wouldn't put too much stock into an article he wrote
I was surprised that Mississippi hadn't changed their flag years ago. I get it...but how many on this forum back in the 70's and 80's watched Dukes of Hazard religiously, wore Southern Cross shirts and flew Southern Cross flags...and none of it was meant to be racist or a white supremacy symbol?
For me, it was just a cool looking flag. I mean you have to admit it is one of the most striking flag designs ever created. It was also a symbol of the south. Just like SEC pride is different than other conferences, so is being "southern". Southern Pride is a Real thing and it's not a race issue. Unfortunately, the Southern Cross has been hijacked by a small group of idiots (the KKK and various forms of White Supremist organizations are very small) and has mutated into a symbol of hatred.
Mississippi will rightly change their flag...but not because of some college football player's ultimatum. They will do it because it is the right thing to do. All these players making threats, I'd love to see a coach say "well, bye!"
That may have been YaleDawg's intention, but that's not what he said; therefore, Razor2027's response was an accurate one.
I fail to see how removing symbols of American history will change the plight of a single individual in this country. If someone can quantify such change I'll be happy to revisit my statement. I recommend several on this board get familiar with Thomas Sowell.
It's exactly what I said.