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  • BrooklynDawgBrooklynDawg Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ok, it is not legal to steal land from a people who have long established a culture and home there. The Indigenous People of these lands had there lands stolen and were killed in the process. If someone decided they wanted your house and took it from you, then declared the house independent from the ruling of you would this be considered legal? Moving on, the slaves that were brought and bought here were not considered free like every other man so your statement is false. And although you yourself and others like you may not be directly responsible for the actions of those in the past, you do have a civic duty to make sure that any injustices that are being practiced, today as well in the past, is eradicated. Educating yourself on the true history of this country helps prevent history repeating itself. Voting to change archaic laws and policies helps make sure your fellow Americans truly get to say they are from The Land Of The Free. Speaking out on the injustices of the few helps shed light on all of the atrocities that were hidden by a system designed to oppress. I understand this is "hard" for some of you. I know it's not popular, especially when it seems like most of you just want to go back to closing your eyes and hoping it all goes away. But as hard and as angry as that makes you, there is a mother who is not coming home to her children tonight. There is a son who will never see another firework again. There is a father who is behind bars if only for the fact that they were born "with the wrong shade of skin. There is a daughter being violated. And people who look like them are hurt and angry because of this. Just because you had all of your freedoms and liberties granted to you from birth does not mean your fellow American enjoys the same. And no mainstream holiday changes that. It hasn't changed that since 1776.

  • LowcountryDawg21LowcountryDawg21 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    If anyone wants to read the full text of the Douglass speech, here’s the link.

  • law_dawg35law_dawg35 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Man I hear enough of this crap on social media i dont want to come here and here too. Please tell me what freedoms you're not given in this country. And stop crying about something that happened over 200 years ago. A let it go

  • BrooklynDawgBrooklynDawg Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2020

    No funny, I was waiting on a comment just like this. If human decency and not wanting to be racially profiled, imprisoned, beaten, passed over for jobs and promotions, shot, harrassed, having the police called on you for no other reason but living your life as a person of color, and systematically oppressed is crap to you then you have and are the problem, not social media and certainly not me. As for the freedoms you refer to being stepped on, I have had most of those things done just to me. That doesnt even include people i know or the stories we know, so dont ever in your life assume that just because its sunshine and rainbows on your end that your neighbor is getting the same kind of weather. And just the fact that I said it's happened to me says that it's not 200 year back that's the issue and it only happened there. Its happening now. And just because I'm giving out history lessons I'm gonna leave you with this. 401 years is the true number. That's was when the 1st slaves where brought here. I'm sure you wouldnt work for free or for chump change, right? That's exactly what has happened to a select group of Americans. I'm glad tbh that you and those with your same thinking are speaking out like you are. Makes it easier to see who really believes what America is supposed to stand for. Stolen land built up on the backs of slaves. But hey, let me let you get back to your comfort zone. It's not like we dont have players (whom make up 90% of the roster btw) who live through the same things I've mentioned. Ask the majority of them whether or not they went through just one of the situations I mentioned and I bet you change your tune. And the atrocities I have mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg. But hey, happy Independence Day or whatever...

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    ... can't begin to imagine this perspective...

    So much I want to say. All I can do is pray for change, work for change, and be thankful we live in a country that allows change.

    I celebrate the ideals - the ideas of perfection in the middle of imperfections - and hope we will all work to get there.

  • BrooklynDawgBrooklynDawg Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Honestly man, its thoughts like these that give me a little hope that maybe oneday my grandkids dont have to see what I've seen, what my father has seen, what my grandfather has seen, etc. We cant just talk about the change, though. We have to practice what we preach and implement real systematic changes. Be glad you dont know the quite pain of your fellow Americans, but with that same breath, be the change that will allow your fellow Americans to say"...I cant begin to imagine this perspective..." Trust me when I say we want the same thing. Be empathetic and be that change. Dont be angry when someone describes a different America that you know. We just want equality, not the country. Most of us would rather live with you and not be against you. Reread that statement. Emphasis on Live With You. We just want the same treatment. PM me if you really are serious about that change.

  • BrooklynDawgBrooklynDawg Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I dont mind saying, I downvoted your original post, and I hope you have seen why. Just because we are the best country in the world(yes, we have freedoms as a whole, but we are not at the top as we once were, and still the problems we have doesnt and hasn't made us the "Greatest") we have work to do. I'm not, and other Americans like me, are not asking for perfection. We just want to be treated like the MAJORITY of Americans that dont worry about their lives or the lives of the people they love like we do. I can not for the life of me understand why that is so hard to understand and empathize with. I could name other groups of people who have had the full support of the American people who have not lived the life we have for as long as we have, but why should I equate another's pain to my own if our pains dont equate the same to the majority? It falls on deaf ears.

  • Canedawg2140Canedawg2140 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2020

    What you ask for - that truth - is actually self-evident if we take a minute and reflect (sorry, Hamilton again...).

    Deaf ears? Not all of them. Persevere.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 29,846 mod
  • BrooklynDawgBrooklynDawg Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm quoting this one quote, but I will address the quote you said below this as well. Thank you for not being so one sided in your thinking that you cant see. This is how and why discussions can be had to fix the problems of the world, not just in American. Please, PM me after this, I would like to hear your thoughts and I'm thinking you would do the same for me. I have had professors and teachers that were open to thinking outside of their comfort zone and they have been the best teachers of life that I have had in a professional setting. Please continue in the same light, kids need that.

    As far as worship goes, we live in a country where it is acceptable to believe in different religions and beliefs so that would be hard. There are different days that worship is done and different rituals as well. But, we all can and should believe in human decency, and no matter what your beliefs (if they are decent), everybody wants that for themselves. With that being said, you are on the right track. Please, continue to teach your kids in your charge this, as well as those who are in your community who dont feel the same in this way of thinking. It is important for growth and progress in this country, let alone the world.

    Lastly, I do live in New York and have seen and believe in a lot of what Hamilton has said. I honestly feel that Hamiltonism should be taught through the nation. Let's make this a thing in the school systems around the nation! Again, PM me later.

  • flemingislanddawgflemingislanddawg Posts: 622 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    There will always be work to do, No such thing as Utopia.  Nothing wrong with celebrating the freedoms we do have

  • ghostofuga1ghostofuga1 Posts: 9,232 mod

    Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable day yesterday!

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