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Have a little redness about the size of a nickel and tender at the injection site, other than that nothing else. Moderna brand. @Polynikes said don't believe the BS and that is exactly right on the money, 1 million plus already vaccinated and reactions a very rare.....
I'm wondering how many times we will need to get this vaccine. I know it's a 2-shot process, but how long is it good for? Covid is not going away. It's here forever. Just like the Swine Flu is still here (and was the prevalent flu strain this year before Covid hit). Will people be required to get the seasonal flu shot in addition to the Covid shots every year? There is no vaccine that covers all flu strains. When you get your annual flu shot, it's for whatever strain the CDC sees as the most prevalent that year, but there are usually several strains going around (that's why you can get the flu shot and still get the flu). So, what will be the protocol in 2021?
Current politicization of everything is a direct result of social media's influence and the 24 hr news cycle addiction.
Very disturbing.
There will be ppl who have bad reactions to the vaccine, but that is no different than anything else.
I've seen kids die at Grady from unintentional peanut exposure when everyone knew the kid had a peanut allergy.
Many stories like that...No reason to think this would be any different than anything else.
The delivery platform (mRNA strand in a lipid bubble) is elegant and safe.
There will be a surge in med school applications soon.
Yep. I already saw an article the day after the vaccine was first used. Some nurse got vaccinated and then fainted. The headline was something like "Nurse passes out after receiving COVID vaccine". Clearly trying to get people freaked out. However, when you read the story, this nurse has a history of passing out after receiving any shot. She has some weird hyper active pain response and has passed out at least six times in the last couple of months for various reasons. The COVID shot had nothing to do with her fainting....but you wouldn't know that by the headline. The media is flat out of control, and FB is the worst of them all.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9817674811
They are not sure some involved with the sciences behind it say immunity could be 3 years
She's squeamish is all - She may give shots or be in the OR and maybe she's been in a trauma OR and been doused in blood without any problems - It is different when it's you.
There is no "condition" that causes someone to faint when they get a shot. I know this bc that's what I do for a living - Interventional Pain. .
I've done thousands of procedures on pts that are awake - I have ways to mitigate that risk, and after thousands of procedures I've had only a few ppl faint, and all of them had a history of it previously.
Give even the most needle averse pt on Earth a Valium tablet 30 min prior and their "condition" disappears...Because it needle anxiety alone.
She's generally anxious and doesn't like needles - Giving them is fine bc she's in control of the situation, and that's exactly why dudes with tattoos pass out - They don't like needles when they're not in control of the situation.
That story is laughable and absurd AT BEST, nefarious and evil AT WORST.
Yep, but if you simply read the headline (like so many people do) you would be grossly misled...as intended. All networks and news outlets do it.
Social media has changed our appetite for news - Instead of investigative journalism and deep dives into a subject, we prefer around 200 characters bc it's easier.
Dude wanted to meet chicks at Harvard and instead he's ruined America.
Fake News
The cable news 24 hour news cycle had already sent us along this path. But you are right, social media has done so much damage that I don’t know if we will ever repair it. At least cable news viewers tended to have higher levels of education, and there used to be journalistic norms that constrained them-apparently those have weakened as well. It seems like the threat of defamation suits are they only true constraints left. But now social media connects with people with much lower levels of political knowledge and education. These folks will believe anything that is consistent with their preexisting belief system. No matter the source.
I don’t want to start anything but why would anyone take an unproven vaccine that was rushed compared to other vaccines when you may still get the virus?
Especially when this thing has over a 99% chance of survival for everyone under 75?
Not a chance I am willing to take.
Just asking - and I hear your argument a lot, so I don’t think you are an outlier...
Are you good with the status quo? 2500 deaths a day for the next 3 years until we determine this vaccine is “safe?” With some “bad” days around 10-12k?
And if we return to pre-Covid living(big events,no social distancing, no masks), you could probably see 3-4 million die before it slows down.
You are right -99% will live. 3.5 million will die - that’s my quick math. And that goes up if too many get sick at once.
It becomes a social responsibility . If we let this hang around (and only 45-50% of us get shots) even 5% of the vaccinated people will get sick. If most of us get shots, this thing can become polio - a chapter in our grandkids history books.
I wanna go back to Sanford with 93k of y’all. Without a mask on. That doesn’t happen if too many decide not to get a shot. Most importantly, I am tired of hearing about people’s parents in ICU, and older people in my church dying.
Not a medical doctor, so would defer in part to the real doctors, but I am a political scientist, so I have an understanding of the regulatory process, in general, and in this instance. My understanding was that the speed was more a function of doing some of the procedures in parallel, as opposed to serially, which is normally the case. In addition, as others with medical expertise here and elsewhere have noted, the researchers where not starting from scratch. They had the generally framework in place having known about the coronavirus for more than a decade.
This vaccine has been in the works since SARS.. not “brand new”. It’s safe.
Very fair questions and sorry somebody DV'd your thoughts. I'll give you my thoughts. First, death isn't the only risk, but the vaccine appears to reduce the 1-2% mortality number to ~zero, so there is a lot of value imho. It also reduces the chances for an unfavorable outcome other than death. It is an individual decision, and I could see a healthy 25 Y/O passing on it.
I have a very simple way of viewing the mRNA approach here: the mRNA instructions, which are very perishable (notice how long they live at room temperature), have your cells make decoys for your immune system to shoot at--they look like a mallard, but they aren't mallards. Mallards aren't scary, so maybe think rattlesnakes instead. Once your immune system recognizes them as the enemy in a jab or two, you likely have few worries for Covid. I'll vote with my feet, and I'm getting it as soon as it's offered!
So, my answer to why is the same as why get insurance. You have a very low risk of needing it, but it could be a lifesaver if you are in the unlucky lot that needs it.
so what else becomes a social responsibility to stop deaths? Many more than that die of all sorts of things. I have no problem with anyone taking this voluntarily. It just shouldn’t be mandatory
100% agree that no one should be forced to take it. I have a feeling that a lot of private employers will require it, as will some schools and colleges, etc, like other vaccinations.
As far as the “freedoms vs. responsibility “ argument and other social responsibilities - we have been determining what side of that line the law falls for decades in our country. This will be no different.
I won't debate Flat Earth or the moon landing, and I won't debate this with you, but you should understand there are 400k additional deaths in the US in 2020.
That is a 15% increase from 2019.
We avg around 2.7-2.8 million deaths per year over the last few yrs, and that's 3.2 million in 2020 with an increase of 400k/15% - The math works out to reduce avg US life expectancy by just under 3 yrs.
That is a staggering, outrageous and disturbing piece of data.
The suicides are up dramatically (many reasons for that - govt mismanagement being one of course), but the real meat of the increase is normal death (cardiac and cancer) and COVID-19.
Just yesterday AM I sat and spoke with a forensic pathologist who runs a lab in Atlanta. We discussed this in detail.
All deaths are up - People have been scared into avoiding the ER (don't go bc you'll get COVID-19) and their heart disease worsens and they **** or have a heart attack.
COVID-19 deaths are decreasing bc we can manage it better...
...make no mistake - The medical INDUSTRY supports aggressive measures to combat COVID-19, and that includes me (a moderate who despises Biden and Harris).
I understand your point and agree with some aspects of it, but healthy people who get COVID-19 pass it around all over the place, and yes it kills people it simply shouldn't kill.
When you're considering your behavior as it pertains to COVID-19, your behavior and...what's the word - Behavior and lifestyle should be with respect to our parents and the susceptible individuals in society.
That doesn't mean shut down America, but it does mean do your part to minimize the risk to your parents and neighbors bc I hope they deserve it.
I am 40, and one day I'll be 83...I hope you respect me enough to do the minimum for my sake.
Again...Doesn't mean go bankrupt or shut down your small business, but we're all riding the same boat dude...Keep each other dry FFS.
Edit - The mRNA platform and the schematics of the viral structure are not new...
Very persuasive knowledge that you share. Is the vaccine for the protection of the recipient or for other people that the recipient may come in contact with, or even both? Not trying to compare this to the seasonal flu, but several people do not take the flu shot (which you would know that better than most). Is it selfish to endanger other people when 'you' are trying to protect yourself from whatever 'you' may believe about these things?
Thanks for the information you shared.
A vaccine for a cold with a 99.6 survival rate. No thanks