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Elite or not, availability of JT Daniels will shape Georgia football season

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  • ShoottheHoochShoottheHooch Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Kirby gave Fields entitlement snaps, they certainly were not earned, stalling our offense, in order to try to keep Fields happy so he wouldn’t transfer. Because of Fields, the only time in my memory Kirby’s mantra of “the best players play” was nothing more than hyperbolic garbage. What was Kirby supposed to do, totally bench the QB that lead the team to a botched coverage TD from a national championship in order to appease a malcontent with “huge upside” but did nothing to earn his way onto the field? Fromm got UGA closer to a natty than Fields did for the Bucknuts. And, given the opportunity Fields has been given with the Bears, Fromm could at least equal Fields’ miserable showing as an NFL QB.

  • HunkerDawgHunkerDawg Posts: 76 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Connor, I understand why reporters get upset with Kirby, but you guys should stop to consider what he is saying, too.

    Kirby was telling the truth when he said that the game plan was dictated by what Arkansas was giving us. For the majority of snaps, they had only 5 in the box and had 2 to 3 men deep, when we had 5 to 6 blockers. Look at the tape. Watch Brooks Austin's tape sessions on Youtube. If you can average over 5 yards per run, keep running. And the QB is not going to have a high YPA because the defense is not giving you a lot of deep throws and there won't be a lot of YAC, when they are dropping 6, 7, and 8 guys. That's 7 of 11 is not an indictment of Stetson.

    And Kirby is telling the truth when he says that the team believes in Stetson. They believe he can run the full offense. You're right that there is a reason he is #2, but the coaches deserve credit for using Stetson the way they have this year so he will be ready when needed. I believe Stetson has shown that the confidence he enjoys from coaches and teammates is earned, and I think he has shown more than enough in games to earn that respect and praise from the fans too.

    I love the job you guys on Dawgnation do covering our team, and I understand that having the story you want to tell in your mind is part of your job. BUT, when responses go against your narrative, play a little devil's advocate in your own mind. Kirby's response shows me that he has this team taking the right approach.

  • stonestone Posts: 399 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @UGA66 i am glad you pointed out what the OL and DL did and how they contributed to the win. It is unfortunate that UGA fans fail to recognize that the lines did not do that last year against Florida or Alabama. It is just too easy to blame Bennett.

    Do I think Bennett can win a game by himself, the answer is no. I don’t think Daniels can either. Maybe the last UGA quarterback that could was Stafford. Unfortunately he is now playing in LA and not Athens.

  • G2ADG2AD Posts: 28 ✭✭ Sophomore

    I don’t necessarily think Kirby was wrong either given the situation, Fromm being more polished and a better play caller + the type of offense that fit the team as a whole. I also don’t know if he could have done anything that would’ve kept fields long enough to develop. Just noting that most, even at the time, saw Fields as having the higher ceiling. And Bc of this and some misremember, the Fromm-fields debate has become and archetype of Uga football, one that looms over the program, even if it’s unfair. When Kirby implies that Bennett and jt are on the same level, probably to build up Bennett and give him confidence, brings up a sense of either not being able to evaluate qb play (which isn’t fair) or simply still preferring a certain type of qb so much that it clouds judgement. I must admit that though I think it basically not fair, my confidence in Kirby’s ability to manage the qb position is lower than any other position. If he comes out and tell us he’s found a box turtle to start at defensive back, I’m all in. However, qb decisions always leave me with questions.

  • DallasDawgDallasDawg Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Well said @HunkerDawg. This article questions what the score "might" have been if JTD had played. The answer is, we'll never know. Maybe JTD has a terrible game yesterday. Or maybe he turns it over, or receivers don't get open. We scored 37 frigging points, which I don't think ANYONE said we would do before the game. Why is THAT not enough? I don't dispute that JTD is the more talented QB, but Bennett has proven -- time and again -- that he's a more than capable backup. Let's just support the kid as a DGD for as long as he's in there, and hope that JTD can get completely health as soon as possible. Go Dawgs!

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  • ShoottheHoochShoottheHooch Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2021

    If JT can’t go, which is the only reason Stetson will get any significant snaps, what QB do you suggest will give the Dawgs the best chance to win?

    Looked shaky in Sanford Stadium? Be serious! Did you see Stet lay the ball into the receiver over the defense on the wheel route for a big gain? He had one pass all day that was not advisable.

    If Auburn comes out in a 3-2-6 defense we will run the ball regardless of who is the QB, just as Bama did with a Heisman candidate at QB against Ole Miss that runs the same defense as Arkansas.

  • ShoottheHoochShoottheHooch Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I haven’t read or seen anything that suggests Kirby implies JT and Stetson are on the same level. If JT was not injured, Stetson would not have seen the field in a big game like Arkansas unless it was during mop up time. JT has been injured since fall camp. Perhaps what you’re talking about is Kirby implying Stet is better than putting an injured JT into the game risking a more serious injury that would really blow up the season.

    If anything makes me question Kirby’s QB management, it is the Fromm/Fields debate. While Kirby was shouting from the rooftops, “The best players will play!”, he was GIVING Fields offensive momentum killing series which consisted the vast majority of times with Fields making one read then tucking and running for two or three yards. I can’t help but believe that Kirby’s treatment of Fromm his sophomore season played a huge roll in Fromm leaving early the next year which is really what set the Dawg’s QB room back, not the Fields transfer.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    ShootHooch. "Kirby gave Fields entitlement snaps, they certainly were not earned, stalling our offense, in order to try to keep Fields happy so he wouldn’t transfer. Because of Fields, the only time in my memory Kirby’s mantra of “the best players play” was nothing more than hyperbolic garbage. What was Kirby supposed to do, totally bench the QB that lead the team to a botched coverage TD from a national championship in order to appease a malcontent with “huge upside” but did nothing to earn his way onto the field? Fromm got UGA closer to a natty than Fields did for the Bucknuts. And, given the opportunity Fields has been given with the Bears, Fromm could at least equal Fields’ miserable showing as an NFL QB."

    Not sure what your point is. 1st you must not have seen the 75 yard bomb Fields threw to Mecole Hardman against (? help me here) It was the prettiest deep ball at UGA since Stafford. Maybe prettier. That alone warranted PT for Fields yr 1. You have to play guys or they leave. UGA needed Fields to stay. Badly. PT was warranted for that reason alone regardless. Fields chose to bail for guaranteed QB1 at OSU. He chose to run from the competition. He would have beaten out Fromm in Fields' 2nd yr at UGA. The guy was just too good. Fromm was very good in his yr 1. Fields was not ready to start in his yr 1. Fromm was good in his yr 2. Fromm was not very good in his yr 3 while Fields lit it up for 2 yrs at OSU.

    You obviously didn't see what Fields did in 2 yrs at OSU as a starter compared to what From did after his very good showing in in yr 1. You obviously didn't see what Fields did today in the NFL. My guess is that Fields numbers today in the NFL will be better than Fromm's career numbers in the NFL.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    SICemDAWGS If you remember Emory Jones was a borderline 5* player. HAD he come to UGA he would've started all last year and he would be playing better ball than the less experienced (5 starts) '21 FL version we saw yesterday. It will be interesting to see who plays better SBIV or EJ on 10/30 if JTD isn't ready to go.

  • ColumbusDawgColumbusDawg Posts: 547 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Yes got to have Daniels, Bennett likes to throw the ball to the other team too much and that is why he only attempted a few passes Saturday and had he had a regular day passing, there would have not been a shutout, 100% not one. But no UGA and UA will not likely be on a collision course, they already are. Florida having 2 SEC losses now put the nail in their coffin. And Auburn and Kentucky? Our elite defense will win those games.

  • 1SICemDAWGS11SICemDAWGS1 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2021

    Jones may have possibly been better at UGA, or a flop, we'll never know. He's either overrated, or he wasn't properly coached to be a college QB by mullet. Either way, Emory Jones is nowhere near being a 5* at uf, and never will be. Especially with the " CLOWN whisperer" as his coach. Anthony Richardson is as good or better than Jones in my opinion. Stronger arm, and just as good of a runner as Jones. I wouldn't be surprised to see Richardson take the field over Jones vs the DAWGS. Bennett has a much better QBR than Jones..more TD passes, and fewer INT's

  • 1SICemDAWGS11SICemDAWGS1 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited October 2021

    Bennett didn't pass much vs Arkansas due to the hogs dropping 8 into coverage every pass play..Daniels has as many INT's and fewer TD's than Bennett 🤔 I know he hasn't played as much as Stetson. Even playing all 5 games, there's no guarantee Daniels is any better. He may have 12 TD's vs 2 INT's, or it could be the opposite,6 TD's vs 6 INT's ( highly unlikely, but possible). You'd think JT would post better stats over a season, being the more talented of the 2 QB's. Again, that's something we' ll never know since Daniels has missed several quarters already this young season.

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