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AJC can't stop chasing the ambulance...
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I didn’t tell anyone to stop getting in the dirt.
I told them to stop expecting different behavior when they do.
Again, that is on you.
Not me.
It was not meant to be a warning. If you took it as such, again that is on you.
I focus on the responders because you perpetuate the conversation. If you choose to ignore that observation and poke back at the poker, you earn whatever reward comes with that.
That’s all I’m saying. Feel free to continue to engage in your chosen mental exercises. Or don’t. This is the marketplace of ideas here in the off-season.
Much like Stryper said: “You’re free. Free to do what you want to. Choose your own destiny.” You’ve chosen to fight these fights yet expect different results.
"I like how the article outlines that Gantt's job is to be there in these sort of situations, and then also calls into question why he was there. Very constructive reporting."
A fine example of journalism today. Devoid of all intelligent life.
Are y’all really struggling that hard to understand the point being made there?
If it is on us…Why even call someone out in the first place. Yale is literally arguing with everyone on here except you and with at least 4 different posters since you so graciously called me out for engaging with him. which you explained later is ok to do if you want too. So confusing. He is also now dragging out a thread that could die as you blamed on me earlier. But I guess that’s ok for him. You’ve called me out before in some debates with Yale so I know how you feel about me responding to him. Got it Loud and clear. But fair warning and since it is ok it Doesn’t mean I won’t respond to him again though.
He’s not defending a football staffer getting guaranteed access to responding officers at the scene of a fatal car crash from the chief of police. Seriously, why do y’all consider that an ok thing to do? So many conflicts of interest going on there
I can tell you have never been in a leadership position within a large public organization. That's not a personal criticism, but sometimes big organizations will have agreements with LEOs. In the military, pretty much all major commands have direct access to local LEOs. A lot of times LEOs prefer unit leadership representatives to be on site to assist with investigations and sometimes to avoid potential unnecessary media attention. We often had agreements, or at least understandings with local PDs and Sheriffs, that if something happened with a person who identified as member of a particular military unit that the unit would be contacted. Every military command has people standing duty every day and night to answer the phone. As a unit commander I used to get calls in the middle of the night almost weekly about Marines getting in trouble out in town.
Just letting you know that these kinds or relationships do exist. Keep in mind that LEOs and investigators are incredibly busy people. They really don't like having to go full-speed on every situation. Having understandings with certain large organizations like the military and major universities helps to keep the workload down.
In case you missed it, I was very targeted in my quote selection and agree with the total disconnect K_y_e highlighted. The general laziness and intellectual dishonesty within the profession of journalism is there for everyone to see. That doesn't mean all reporters fall into that category, but there's a reason people are struggling to trust them these days.
I’ve worked for both UGA and Yale. It is not the norm to have direct access to officers on scene performing the initial investigation into a fatal car crash. This is nowhere near the same as the police calling a military base to pick up some drunk enlisted servicemen. The parallel would be some NCO being on site for a fatal event involving service members and talking with the responding officers after getting guaranteed access to them from the chief of police.
edit: I’d also be wary of any agreement between large organizations and the police. They should be serving the public not powerful interests
This is the byproduct of major media conglomerates gobbling up newspapers and insisting they be entertaining and profitable before anything else while also crushing workers unions all in the pursuit of just a little more money their great grandchildren won’t be able to spend. Also no one paying for classified ads.
I promise you UGA and Yale (and probably every major university in the nation) have agreements with local LEO organizations. There is a difference in just working at a big place like that and being in a high-level leadership position there. I've been involved in murder, assault, rape, drug trafficking and other pretty serious issues in the military. Everything is not a clean-cut and by the books as you expect. Kind of like the other discussion we had recently about RaRa. The legal system is not as straight-forward as many believe.
Very good points.
I know they have agreements with LEO agencies. I don’t like many of them, but this instance is particularly egregious
Now we are getting somewhere. You just don't like it.
This is exactly why many of us are giving UGA and the LEOs the broader benefit of the doubt.
Those that are taking a very strong position otherwise, and especially in regard to any possible legal problems with the matter, should be reminded of the foundational principle we have held to in our country, “presumed innocence until…”. IMO, that requires far more constraint against rush to judgment, while at the same time gives more liberty, if not obligation, towards extending that above mentioned benefit of the doubt. So, once again simply IMO, the burden of proof lies mostly on the accusers who will just have to wait to see if any actual violations were committed.
However, the debate here seems to be more about whether or not the events of the matter consist of questionable, inappropriate, deceitful, and/or unethical behavior and practices. However, that is inherently far more subjective than legal questions, and therefore mostly a matter of opinion. Consequently, we’re seeing strongly expressed opinions and even conclusions that are at best simply in the eye of the beholder and differ greatly.
Another debatable question is whether or not the AJC has violated any unwritten journalism law in its manner of reporting on the matter. Once again, that’s inherently subjective and in the eye of the beholder, or reader in this case.
Finally, as I step down from my soap box. What saddens me the most about all of this, especially in regard to this thread, is that it’s a microcosm of what’s happened within our country and the world. We have sadly lost the ability to civilly and to maturely agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
So, regarding this thread, I’m gonna tap out and watch from the sidelines for now, but not without a hearty Go Dawgs!