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The ‘hard’ steps that must come next for Georgia basketball, Mike White

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  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 22

    I don't get these Contracts with Buyout Clauses that amount to rewarding a lousy coach, with a lottery windfall...for doing nothing more than failing their mission and getting fired.

    These Universities are throwing our money around like Monopoly Dollars. The amount means nothing to em.…cause, it's Free Money.....to everybody concerned except the consumer and taxpayer.

    A HC Contract, should by no means, be extended beyond 3 years. Smh...10 year Contracts with 70-80 Million Dillar buyouts....sounds more like theft and collusion between Universities, Lawyers & Agents. And, we're the Patsies.

    What a waste. Absurd, asinine....irresponsible! This is one of the first things the WH Executive Order needs to address.

    Why not make it a year to year deal...just like the player? It used to be a plus to have a Head Coach locked in for multiple years. It was a selling point on the recruiting trail.

    Not No Mo'!!!!! We all know what sells, these days. And, it ain't Coaching. Lol

    You can't keep recruits around, long enough to enjoy the value of a Great Coaching Staff. Cause...a Great Coaching Staff, coaches HARD. And, some of our soft youth, can't seem to take that, anyway. Lol

    Btw....HC's like Kirby Smart are exempt...due to tenure & track record. Just sayin'.

  • zonadawg61zonadawg61 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I watched High Point give Arkansas all it could handle. High Point. A really small school. They give higher seeds fits in the tournament every year and are consistently a tough out. What do they have with the limited resources of a small school that SEC heavyweights don't? I wish we could have some of that. But they are a prime example of consistently doing more with less. Easy team to root for. Georgia looked like they were throwing the game. Can't say that didn't cross my mind.

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I wonder if the High Point coach would be interested in the Mike White gig at UGa…they looked like a very well coached team in spite of the talent gap.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 23

    That's what you want....a Coach that can prepare his team to "hit up"...not, just take care of business when they're expected to.

    Imo....Losing is hard....but, Winning is harder. And, the Basket-Dawgs, "can't stand prosperity"....Lol, as my Dear ol' Dad used to say about the Braves & Falcons. Lol.…almost everytime we watched em play. 'Course rhe Braves, at least came through, occasionally.

    I don't care to see the Basket-Dawgs become just another ho-hum project...where, we're just "happy to be there", at the end of the season. In other words....like the Braves & Falcons.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 33,449 mod

    it doesn’t matter who the coach is if the school isn’t going to devote more money to the operation.

  • DawggieDawggie Posts: 206 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I’ve heard the saying, “You get what you pay for.” And be it houses, autos, boats, tools etc, it is the truth. Things seldom work out when you go cheap. UGA’s Basketball budget is DEAD LAST in the SEC. Tennessee’s budget is nearly 3 times bigger than UGA’s. You get what you pay for…

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Exactly right.

    How about that "great", $7M/yr FU coach? 7 returning players from last year's champ team (plus 3 G transfers) including 3 All SEC players and they get bounced by a 9 seed. Wasn't UGA bounced by a 9 seed too?

    UGA hasn't invested enough in the basketball program. Jimmy's and Joe's.

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 23

    Of course it matters. You and ugadad20 are missing the point here…WHY PAY Mediocre Mike 4M a year to accomplish what a small college coach would love to have the opportunity to accomplish at UGa for 1M or so a year?Likeypu two jimmies and joes point out, it’s obvious that UGa and basketball will never be a high priority so let’s get to saving a few millions per year in basketball coaching salaries and put that savings into the other sports programs that actually are competitive. I’d rather watch the b-ball team go 6-20 and qualify for no post season play than to go to the dance and get torched by a small college team without a single 2 star on their roster, that performance was pathetic. Speaking of saving a few million in mediocre Mike salary and spreading the wealth to other competitive sports programs…UGa’s Golf team was quite impressive this past weekend, their coach could use a raise and a few dozen topshelf golf balls…just saying.

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 23

    That FU coach said to tell you to look at his shiny 2025 Natty ring and for what it’s worth, that 9th seeded team that they lost by one had a few more 247 ranked players and P4 wins than that 9th seeded team with zero ranked players that blew out mediocre Mike…the same zero ranked player roster that then turned around and got blown out in their next game to a team in the same conference as the 9th ranked team that beat FU…apples and oranges my friend.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 24

    Wow you really don't get it do you? Now you are suggesting UGA get a $1M/yr coach to save money for other sports while still flirting with the Top 20? Really? You can't really think UGA continues to flirt w/Top 20 by having just anybody (nobody) as its CBB HC? You coulda had John Wooden himself coach that team and they hit their ceiling. The comments by the players themselves admitted that they didn't come in mentally ready to play and didn't elevate their effort and desire to match their tournament opponent. There are a handful of teams that are really good. And a bunch of teams that are good. UGA is not really good. No matter who is coaching.

    Having an established coach allows UGA to do 2 things. First, it allows UGA to have a respectable basketball program. We have seen what other recent coaches have been able to do with the UGA bball program. There was a recent previous coach that was 0-18 ('21) in the SEC. The current coach can put together a team that can be competitive despite the limited financial commitment from the school. Second, it allows UGA to work behind the facade that it is trying to have a basketball program that can compete for a national championship. While in fact UGA is satisfied fielding a team that wins more than it loses while funneling all/most of its NIL money and facilities investment to the football program. UGA knows it is a football school and the fans care more about football. So it cuts corners on the basketball program. Fans put up with it. White is the scapegoat.

    "for what it’s worth, that 9th seeded team that they lost by one had a few more 247 ranked players and P4 wins than that 9th seeded team with zero ranked players that blew out mediocre Mike"

    For what it is worth your "point" just proved my point….AGAIN. FU lost with 3 All SEC players playing. Yup that is some mighty fine coaching right there. How many did UGA have? FU's shiny '25 trophy was won by the 3 '25 All SEC players PLUS 2 players now in the NBA. Those 2 future NBA players alone scored almost half (29/65) of the FU championship game points themselves. In fact, FU doesn't make the CBBCG without Walter Clayton hitting a last second shot vs UConn to stave off elimination in the 2nd Rd of the '25 tourn. Yup that is some mighty fine coaching right there. You remember Walter Clayton Jr right? Let me refresh your memory. He was named the 2025 NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player and a consensus first-team All-American.

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You’re right, what was I thinking Dad…Mike White is the greatest coach ever, glad to have him, a winner wherever he goes. 4mil what a steal. That Billikens roster was certainly talented, we were lucky to only be trailing by 40 early in the second half…must have been because of the great motivation and preparation by our tier 1 coach that kept it close. I would write a little more but you used up all the words.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    That is quite an extrapolation from what I said to "Mike White is the greatest coach ever". But you do you, son. Another straw man argument. Typical of someone who can't promote any viable argument because they've exhausted their intellectual capabilities and ammunition on the subject matter.

    AGAIN, you made my point. The UGA players couldn't stay within 40 pts of a mid major. No coach can make inferior players 40 pts/gm better.

    If you think the UGA players can play with the guys still playing that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of basketball.

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Thanks dad for keeping me straight, the world is so much safer. So, no coach can make inferior players from a team that beat UK, AL and Texas stay within 40 of a mid major nobody…sounds like you and I are straw brothers, cheers dad. You won that argument with yourself, no easy feat…

  • GramsterGramster Posts: 891 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @UGADad20 said “If you think the UGA players can play with the guys still playing that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of basketball.”

    Georgia 98 - Sweet 16 Bama 88

    Georgia 91 - Sweet 16 Texas 80

    Sweet 16 Tenn 86 - Georgia 85 (ot)

    Saint Louis 102 - Georgia 77

    So according to you my knowledge of basketball cannot comprehend the fact that Georgia players can play with 3 of the remaining Sweet 16 teams…yup, you sure got me there, dad. My knowledge pales in comparison to yours. Thanks again for keeping me straight.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 26

    Keeping you straight is not difficult when you continually make my arguments for me.

    The player's on the team's you mentioned up'd their game's for the tournament. Very common among teams/players after going through long and tedious regular season of less important games. Something the UGA player's admitted they didn't do. They ADMITTED, "some had 1 foot in the TP", and "WE didn't come ready to play" (from the article about the St L blowout loss). Further evident by St L's 30 points in the paint in the first 10 mins of the game (lack of D, lack of effort) and the 8 point differential between St. L and UGA in 2nd half points (finally coming to play and giving effort - good coaching).

    The PLAYER'S admitted they didn't come in ready to play. THEY admitted THEY didn't bring the effort. That is what happens when you have inferior players. Only a player can make themselves play harder. It is called heart. Young front line players and a lack of D1 quality G's just not competitive enough to go any further than they did. The fact that your couldn't "stay within 40 of a mid major" was turned into a 25 point loss after a 17 point halftime deficit speaks to coaches coaching up inferior players in the 2nd half.

    If you think that UGA team, with 1 D1 quality G, can play NOW with the teams still playing that tells me all I need to know about your basketball knowledge. Are you saying if UGA was playing AL, TN or TX NOW UGA would win? Really? The 3 teams you mentioned have 4 All SEC players. UGA? None. TN has a starting front line of 6'10" (All SEC), 6'11" and 6'11". The fact that UGA was able to hang with them in the regular season, with inferior players, is a testament to being coached up.

    BTW , your great champions TX, AL and TN are all likely to lose tonight/tomorrow. Further showing the disparity of the UGA talent vs contending talent.

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