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What Russell Westbrook is doing is ridiculously under appreciated...

WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
edited March 21 in Basketball

He'll wrap up his 3rd straight season of averaging a triple double in a couple of weeks. The NBA went 55 years without having a player accomplish it even once. Oscar Robertson did it once, in 1961/1962.

More remarkable still, Westbrook is 6'3'' 200lb. I'm not sure there's ever been a better athlete in The NBA.

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  • brady01brady01 Posts: 169 ✭✭✭ Junior

    He definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves IMO

  • CTDawgCTDawg Posts: 423 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Jeff Van Gundy made a point on the broadcast last night. If Westbrook averaged half an assist less per game, would we still be talking as much about him? I personally would, because I think he's an astonishingly athletic superstar at point guard. It does make you think about our fixation on numbers; if he averaged 9.8 rebounds a game, would it be less impressive? He's the exact same player.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    0 RINGS ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS. EVEN ADAM MORRISON HAS TWO MORE RINGS THAN WESTBRICK

  • VALDOSTADAWGVALDOSTADAWG Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @YaleDawg

    Y'all gonna take down the tigers in the tourney?

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I think there is a good chance it happens. Lsu has some off court drama and Yale is under seeded.

  • EricDawgs1EricDawgs1 Posts: 384 ✭✭✭ Junior

    He's doing good not some of those rebounds some those come from the big men not trying to get it.they move or just block out so he can get it.but it's still an amazing stat to have

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yale. Jordan was a superstar before he won a title. I don't think you can blame Westbrook for Harden and Durant bailing.

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    WESTBRICK IS A BALL HOG WHO PUTS HIMSELF ABOVE OTHERS. HE IS BIG ME LITTLE TEAM. STATS > CHAMPIONSHIPS IN HIS LOSER MIND

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 21

    Yale, you don't lead The NBA in assists if you're a ball hog. He's the PG, so of course he has the ball much of the time.

  • AnotherDawgAnotherDawg Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @YaleDawg I am rooting for our northern brothers today against the swamp tigers. Hoping to see Isaiah Kelly get a minute or two on the floor. Go Bulldogs!

  • YaleDawgYaleDawg Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm being facetious. Those are the arguments people who dont understand basketball use against westbrook

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes the all or nothing crowd. I do love how much we love round numbers, as if 9.9 is way worse than 10.1, or is one assist equals one point or one rebound.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 21

    TND - The only season I'm aware of where a player came very close to a triple double and fell just short was by Oscar Robertson in the early 60s. That's not to say it hasn't happened more, I'm sure there are other cases.

    Still hitting a milestone 3 times that hadn't been done even once in 55 years is amazing. It's not just any milestone either, it's the ultimate measure of being very strong in all 3 main statistical areas.

  • TNDawg71TNDawg71 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Totally agree that it is a significant milestone, especially since he is the only one in the league doing it. He is clearly committed to playing at both ends of the court.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    TND- committed AND capable athletically, not to mention the stamina required to do it night in night out.

  • orlandoorlando Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The guys got game for sure but he’s still an ahole.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 22

    A tidbit that caught my interest. Westbrook has 34 triple doubles this season alone. Michael Jordan had 28 in his entire career. Oscar Robertson is the career leader with 181, RW has 131as of now. His pace over the past 3 seasons blows past anything in the past though.


    Edit. The more I dig the more remarkable it seems. Westbrook has 113 triple double just in the past 2 seasons and to this point in this season, only Robertson and Magic have more in their entire careers.

    Westbrook had 46 TDs in the 2016/2017 season alone, only Big O, Magic, Jason Kidd, Lebron, Wilt and Bird had more in their entire careers. It's almost Ruthian.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I’m in that boat. Respect his game, but rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    JRT-I rarely watch or listen to interviews of athletes, so his personality isn't as much of an issue as it would be if I sat through ESPN's nightly recaps.

  • UgaXforPresidentUgaXforPresident Posts: 145 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I'll stop you there. Ruth put up actual raw stats at an unprecedented level. Westbrook's raw stats (assists, points, rebounds) are what is impressive, especially over the length of time he has done it for. The triple double is a statistical fabrication for the sake of convenience and entertainment.

    I will pose this scenario: Player A gets 10-10-10 every game for a whole season. Player B gets 10-10-9 half the nights and 10-10-11 the other half. If you look at raw stats, you're splitting hairs by saying they are not equivalent. But by triple double measure, Player A is twice the player as Player B.

    Westbrook is impressive, no need to oversell it though.

  • dawgitimafandawgitimafan Posts: 324 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Agreed, and for the record Westbrook with all those stats is still the worst player of the big three the thunder had, harden better, Durant is better.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 23

    dawgtimafan. No way chuckitup Harden is a better player than Westbrook. It's not close in my book.

    I keep reading how RW is selfish and that he doesn't run the team well. Let's is how The Thunder compares to The Rockets..

    Rebounds per game - Thunder 2nd in The NBA Rockets 28th.

    Assist per game - Thunder 22nd, Rockets 28th

    Steals per game - Thunder 1st, Rockets 5th

    Blocks per game - Thunder 12th, Rockets 17th

    FG percentage - Thunder 5th, Rockets 26th.

    These stats support what I see. Westbrook breaks down defenses, often by driving and dishing, which lowers his personal FG% while giving teammates easy baskets.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    ugaX. I think RW's exponentially singular run of 113 games with triple doubles in under 3 seasons is a valid comparison to Ruth's early HR rates where he had more than most entire teams.

  • 3rdshift3rdshift Posts: 338 ✭✭✭ Junior

    dude can ball but its a different game....very different.

  • donmdonm Posts: 8,552 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I think it is a VERY different game from the Big O's game as well as Bird/Magic's game.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 23

    donm, yet NOBODY accomplished a triple double once in 55 years, now a lone player is on the verge of doing it a 3rd straight season.

    It's not the times, it's the player. Magic played in a very up-tempo offense with a superior cast around him and never did it. Big O did it once 58 years ago, that season was the highest scoring season in NBA history. Robertson had plenty of chances, he also played more minutes over fewer games than Westbrook does in a season. The 1980s when Johnson played was a higher scoring era than today, except for this season which is inline with the 80s.

  • orlandoorlando Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Yes WB is a bad azz on the court, he’s the guy you hate until he’s on your team. Fantastic numbers but he needs a ring or two before folks put him among the best.

  • UgaXforPresidentUgaXforPresident Posts: 145 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I agree that in both instances, one player is standing out dramatically when compared to league history. I think that there is a false premise here though. Triple doubles are mathematical fabrication that don't inherently add value to a team outside of the value of each stat individually.

    Home runs are the most efficient way for a player to add value to his team (runs being value). Comparing triple doubles is like saying someone is a great baseball player because they hit more 500 ft home runs.

    I found this website that somewhat illustrates the point. It's a list of everyone in NBA history who averaged at least 7.5-7.5-7.5 for a season. Some all-time greats on the list. Also some all-time less than greats. https://www.landofbasketball.com/records/triple_double_seasons.htm

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited March 24

    ugaX. When a single player at a single position on the court can add great value to all 3 primary measures of production, that is huge added value. To dismiss the completeness of his contributions would be like dismissing Jordan's defensive abilities because Pippen and Rodman could also play defense.

    That said, of course double digits is just a bench mark, but how many players in history could consistently give you between 23 and 30 ppg a season along with 10 or more assists and 10 or more rebounds ? Talk about false premises, 7.5 ppg ? ..please.

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