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Not "just one RB". There have been a string of misses on O so far this year. But it is early and CKS has shown to be successful before. Still there seems to be something going on w/O recruits.
OG Monken is a football guy with a professional history. He doesn't seem to be as involved in recruiting as much as the other coaches. Probably a perk to stick around at this level another year. Add in the losses of Luke and Hankton and we have an offensive staff in a recruiting transition.
I am not the only one who sees it. 10 mins after I commented below CR posted another article about offensive recruiting difficulties.
This 1 stings for a few reasons. 1) legacy 2) in state 3) AL. Most fans would prefer UGA get the top players from GA. Not getting Derek Brown probably cost UGA a championship in '17. This year is actually a down year in numbers of GA recruits in Rivals 250. So losing the #2 player in the state (and a legacy to boot) just puts out a bad vibe.
Still early but the trend is concerning.
Not even going to read through all responses, though I’ve read enough…but I see we’re right in the middle of Overreaction Central. I’m close to someone at BT and Haynes is no doubt a good player and good kid…but the only reason this really “stings” is bc of the legacy aspect. There are plenty of players every bit as good as JH. And for the guy who referenced Coach Smart’s “historically mishandling QBs” or something silly like that, give it a rest. I’m about over the glut of armchair coordinators who are never happy.
There are setbacks even for the greatest of teams, the victory comes with a successful response to the setback. As Mike Tyson once said "Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth." In the past, Georgia under Kirby Smart has exceled in coming off the matt when losing a prized recruit and finding one as good or better. It will all work out! GO DAWGS!
I wouldn’t worry about this too much folks. I just wish we’d start recruiting hotter cheerleaders.
I'M not so sure I would call Haynes a prized recruit. He was probably the 3rd or 4th RB on Smart's recruiting board...if that. UGA might not have even offered him, if he wasn't a legacy.
Like Manning, he gets a little extra juice from the Fans & Media because of his name and Father. Looks like a good solid RB, but, nothing better than the RB's they've stocked the RB room with, every year.
Don't know how his hands are, out of the Backfield, but, that's where Monkin has placed his enthusiasm for RB's. Can they catch the ball out of the backfield and can they block?
UGA turned their back on Zack Evans, the #1 recruit, a couple of years ago, because of attitude. Smart is very selective, when it comes to the character of players, he introduces into the locker room. Seems to work, so, more power to him.
Smart's negotiating from a position of strength...not weakness, unlike an Alabama team that had to go to the portal to find a WR, OT, DB and RB, capable of starting for them next year. And, the DB was recently arrested in Mississippi for a driving & possession charge...or something along those lines. So, there's that.
Character and discipline have as much value as talent, on the Kirby Smart recruiting board, so get used to it. He's not collecting recruiting stars, he's collecting "Winners" and could care less where he winds up on the the ESPN Recruiting rankings at the end of the year, as long as he gets the players he wants. That doesn't seem to be a problem....except in the minds of the "armchair coordinators". LOL
I'm with you, @UGADad20 , the current trend of missing on offensive recruits is definitely "concerning." I don't get some of these Dawg fans. While we're recruiting a kid, it's "Commit to the G," or "we really need you." Or whatever. And then, when a kid decides to go elsewhere, we see all of the negativity ranging from "he's not that big of a deal" to "we don't need him" to (most recently) "someone paid him more NIL." Remember, the theme around Kirby when he initially came to Georgia was he was going to put a wall around the state and all of the top players would come here. It is BY NO MEANS time to panic, but losing out on the #3 player in the state -- and a legacy player at that -- is a big deal that has to sting. I guarantee that no UGA coaches are sitting their thinking, "Oh, so a kid we really tried to recruit decided to go to Alabama; no worries." Again, I'm not panicking nor do I think Kirby & Co. are necessarily doing anything wrong. But it is undeniable that what we've seen with offensive recruiting thus far -- with the notable exception of tight end -- is cause for concern. There is something, or maybe some THINGS, that these kids are not hearing and seeing at UGA that they apparently are seeing elsewhere. And you can best believe that Kirby and his staff are concerned about it right now, whether we ever hear about it or not. Go Dawgs!
So in 1 post you have implied that Haynes has: bad hands, character and discipline issues, associated him with Zach Evans as a bad attitude recruit, not a "winner", and as the 22nd rated recruit in the cycle (Rivals) he is not a prized recruit.
That's pretty harsh on a kid and unfair. And most of all unfounded. Can a poster be sued for slander? I believe Mr. Haynes would like to have a word with you.
By all accounts Justice is a solid kid from a solid family. He IS prized by any program in the country. Say what you want but AL won over UGA here. For such a desperate program, by your admission, they certainly are stacking chips. LOL
I believe the NIL deals absolutely play a role in these players decisions. Regardless of what side of the ball they play on. It’s the ole Instant Gratification thing. Doesn’t mean the player is a bad person, or has anything personal against UGA, just $$ in hand right from the start. Now I think it’s entirely possible that the early gratification could cost these kids heavily in the long run in terms of being better prepared at their position for the NFL. Also you might see some of these same kids hit the transfer portal later on when the luster of the NIL fades some and the reality of needing to be in top shape and preparation to make the NFL sets in. As fans we hope for and want guys that Really, Really WANT to be Dawgs. Loyalty is very important to most of us as fans. BUT the recruiting landscape has now forever changed with NIL deals. It is what it is. So Now all we can hope for is that UGA develops a greater and greater attraction for Businesses to want to offer NIL deals as the school can’t legally do it. Lastly there’s still Allot of time before Early Signing Day, NEVER count Kirby Smart out !! Need to win at the highest levels this team can produce this year, preferably another Natty, winning will bring Both Players and Businesses into the fold. Go Dawgs !!
MY speculation is no different than yours. All, completely unfounded...including the implication that Haynes was a "prized recruit". It's fodder for consideration.
In fact, nobody knows why UGA didn't recruit him harder or why he elected to go to BAMA.
Same thing happened with Will Anderson. Anderson wanted to go to UGA, but, Smart didn't have room for him on the roster and didn't offer him....so, he went to BAMA. Now, you might call that a loss for UGA recruiting. But, your arguments would fall on deaf ears after UGA had 8 defenders go in the last NFL Draft....5 of them 1st rounders. Could have been 7, if not for the Adam Anderson legal issue and the Nakobe Dean injury speculation.
To call it a loss, to lose Haynes to BAMA, is putting the cart before the horse and a complete exaggeration. Nobody has a clue at this point, what Smart and Monkin have planned and prioritized, with regard to recruiting or offensive direction. You recruit the players to operate your offense, if you can. If you can't, you design your offense around the players you can get, which is basically what Monkin had to do in his first 2 years.
It's obvious the Dawgs want speed and athleticism at RB. I.E., James Cook, Kenny McIntosh, and even Kendall Milton has shown signs of being targeted out of the backfield more. That's been their general direction since Monkin took over the offense.
My speculation uses more logic than your emotional speculation. It's not personal. LOL
BTW, in case you missed what UGA is trying to do offensively...They're creating 1-on-1 mismatches by targeting TE's, RB's and WR's. Lining RB's out wide or putting them in motion, using multiple TE sets and using speed at the WR position (Arian Smith). At least, that's where they wanted to go, but, until this year, Monkin hasn't had the personnel to do everything he wants to do.
In other words, I look for UGA's use of the RB, to drastically change this year and next. That's why I don't think Haynes fits in the mold and they only offered him because of his Dad. Which is fine, but, I don't think he wanted to accept that fate.
Its all good.
Kenny Chesney & David Lee Murphy singing- "Everythings gonna be alright". Media hypes up players for various reasons that the coaches aren't necessarily as hyped about. They sometimes are much more hyped about a 3-star under the radar player that the media brushes over, than a 4 or 5-star that is getting all the headlines. Thankful for that because they have proven they know what ALL they are looking for, will go hunting for it any and everywhere and they know when they see it and know when they don't. Don't EVER need to worry about RB at UGA either. OL more priority. Especially with transfer portal, if ever needed for RB at UGA other than injury or other attrition. Many of the best RB's in country would jump at chance to start for UGA. JUCO and FBS.
****! Offensively, this has been a horrible recruiting cycle to date. The two recruits we went hardest for both rejected us.
Nothing "emotional" at all about my post. I just summarized what you said about a kid that you know nothing about. You implied all those things. You sound emotional and not objective about him rejecting UGA for AL. As usual not objective.
As a top 25 rated recruit with 45 offers that sounds pretty "prized" to me. He certainly was prized by AL, proven to be the #1 recruiting team over the last 10 years.
As for Will Anderson, everybody knows (well almost everybody LOL) that UGA recruited Nolan Smith, then the #1 overall recruit in the country, in '19 at the same position as Anderson in '20. UGA also recruited only 1 LB (Sherman) and 0 DE's in '20. So the position was stocked already by highly rated recruits. WAnderson saw that.
Using Will Anderson as an example doesn't support your argument. It supports that 1) AL knows a prized recruit when it sees it and 2) AL can recognize a prized recruit apparently better than UGA can.
"trying to do offensively"? Wrong again. '22 class RB's Paul and Robinson are both Milton/Chubb style bruisers with questionable receiving skills. Not exactly Cook types. If anything Haynes is a Cook type compared to the recent RB recruits UGA has secured. UGA has multiple RB's to fill multiple roles. Saying Haynes can't catch is so ridiculous considering his father's biggest play while at UGA was a reception!
What you wrote tries to rationalize the rejection of UGA by a recruit with negativity and displays very little knowledge about football and what UGA is trying to do. Again, when you reach high school in a couple years, try to take some Logic classes (Physics is a good one. Follow the units) . They teach logical thinking and building facts to reach an accurate conclusion. Also try Statistics. It teaches probability. Probability is very useful in determining success based on facts and not emotion. LOL
I know you think you've cornered the market on football IQ. What??? You coached a little league team or something? LOL. You have no idea who you're talking to or what my experience encompasses. I see where you've been down-voted 8 times on one post alone and multiple times on the rest. Get a clue. Nobody's pickin up what you're putting down and you don't know how to have a civilized debate.
I didn't imply anything, I suggested them as possibilities. You inferred it. There are other possibilities I didn't mention, but, I'm not going to waste them on you.
Watch the tape and review the kid's rating history. It speaks for itself. My only assertion was that he was NOT a "priority" or "prized" target.
The season starts in just over a month...we'll see which one of knows what the hell they're talking about. Personally, I think you're just a BAMA or Gator troll that shows up from time-to-time to throw shade on UGA's program, in your not so subtle way with your half-baked ideas about how to run a football program better than the guys running it now. You're not as clever as you think you are. LOL