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‘This is cut-throat,” Georgia player podcast sounds off on NIL, portal and recruiting

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  • osmosiphobeosmosiphobe Posts: 479 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I agree re: players to their teams. The other side of that, though, is that teams have no real loyalty to their plyayers at the pro level. The minute a dude doesn't cut the mustard, contracts are renegotiated and guys are traded off. They have very little choice, they just go where they're moved, all-in-all. One great thing about college ball, historically, has been that if a guy is benched, he isn't moved to another school, he's just benched. If being on the team means something to him, he gets cracking at practice and gets the plays right; gets his body right; gets his mind right. He shows the coach that he deserves that spot and wins it back. That's still a thing, for sure (and I really like to believe it's PARTICULARLY a thing at UGA, where we definitely see dudes battling for time in their positions), but transferring to a spot on another team for which you've already "proven" yourself or whatever-such-nonsense is way easier today, and just because of that is more likely. The quick money grab thought is relevant, but: Maybe I just like a resilience story, and so I'm dawging guys who don't meet a certain image of resilience. Maybe I have romanticized college athleticism, and am bi+¢hing about young men who don't fit the narrative. Maybe I spent too much time as a hard-working, hard-writing college student publishing work for my university without nearly the opportunities these dude have, and need to hound somebody about something.

    I don't know, y'all. I guess I just like the idea that being on a team matters, beyond more than just the sentiment that "we were on a team together once, and the world around being on a team is crazy, so I can understand why guys make the decision to move on."

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  • KudzuKudzu Posts: 434 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Apologies for that! To you and others who also tried. Tested it when I posted, but I get the same now a few hours later 😒🤪

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Not "No"...but, "Hell no"!. Lol

    What are the options? You could create a sub-body of the NCAA that answers to the courts.

    Somebody has to be accountable.

    Somebody has to be held accountable.

    Somebody has to hold them accountable....and, in a way that cannot be "challenged" in the courts.

    The Student Athlete's wellbeing must be the highest consideration. The integrity of CFB, should be the secondary priority. All other considerations must acquiesce to the top 2 priorities.

    They can put something together...but, there's not enough incentive to change...and, no one to drive the change, if they did want to. The heat isn't high enough, yet. Looks like their gonna roast alive, before anything is done. Then...it's too late. As Usual.

    It'll take a catastrophe to move the fossils in charge [tic]...the ones not profiting from it....in front of the problem.

  • dazzledawgdazzledawg Posts: 244 ✭✭✭ Junior

    So, are the players issued a 1099 or W-2 for compensation received?

    I find it hard to believe the IRS would let NIL exist without wanting their cut every April 15th.

    Who’s paying state and federal taxes on this money?

  • osmosiphobeosmosiphobe Posts: 479 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Yeah, man. HAHA! I'm all for the sentiment. Glad you got what I was really getting at.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Aren't players [student-athletes] exempt as "full time students"? Or, the parents can claim his earnings and pay the taxes using "their" exemptions...under the same "full time student" exemption. If I'm not mistaken.

    I'm not sure if the magnitude of the income matters.

    See what I'm saying? Lawyers...particularly "contract" and "tax" Attorneys...are making a dang killin' on this thing.

    Everybody...EVERYBODY...needs a lawyer. And, it can't be the same one. Lol

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You do realize that Puglisi went to a HS with 400 total students right? The competition in CT in the private school class isn't exactly GHSA 7A. To expect Puglisi (or Stockton) to jump into SEC competition in less than 2 yrs is delusional.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2023

    That is true of what college sports used to be. Should be. Now the stakes ($$$) are higher. Capitalism is the predominant religion and "I'm gonna get mine" is the the prevailing attitude in the US. Too late to put the worms back in the can.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2023

    Personally, I don't think it matters what size school he played in at the HS level. Or, the competition level. Doesn't matter...either, he can "play football" or he can't. Either he's an athlete, or he isn't. That's not determined by the size of school he plays for.

    Lol...Benedictine only had about 400-600 students...if that...when I was a kid. And, they've been churning out some of the best talent, this State's produced for decades.

    Herschel Walker played at one of the smallest High Schools in UGA...and, became one of Vince Dooley's 1st Freshman "starters".

    But....yeah you're right in one respect. A Freshman QB cannot start in the SEC without taking some lumps and going through some growing pains. If a Freshman takes off in his 1st year...it's usually because of the players around him. His supporting cast, if you will.

    Frankly...I believe Bama had a Leadership problem earlier in the year...not a QB problem. Milroe was always gonna be "the guy"...but, he didn't have complete buy-in from the rest of the team. Team Support for the QB's was split among Milroe and the others.

    To fix the problem...Saban "sat him" in the UCF game and played the other 2 QB's exclusively, so that he could destroy them in front of the team, while doing film review. The Team would see that Milroe was the best option...and everybody would get behind him. I've seen that before, on a team I played on. It worked for us...and, it worked for Saban.

    I've always said a QB's success, is a team product. There are no real "Saviors". That's a myth....a pot of gold at the end of the Natty Rainbow. There are no shortcuts to maturity, confidence and experience. That's a QB's biggest limiting factor...IMO.

    It starts with confidence...and I haven't met many 18 yr old kids, that could handle the momentum swings and stay confident and efficient in the face of an SEC Defense. There's just no way to teach, even a savant, all of the intricacies of UGA's offense, in less than a year.

    If you simplified the offense to about 10 plays [with variations in formation, routes and ball delivery]...and practiced till every player on the offense, could execute those plays [with variations] in their sleep....then, a disciplined team, might be able to get through an undefeated SEC Season with a Freshman QB and Efficient Defense/Special Teams.

    IMO...it's more of a mental challenge, than physical. I like Puglisi. But, I like Stockton, more. He's ready. If Beck comes back....the Dawgs will be in "Great Shape". If Beck leaves and Stockton comes back, with Raiola and/or Puglisi coming in...the Dawgs will be in "Good Shape".

    For what it's worth...I don't think Beck is leaving. Like Bennett...this is His year. The 1st year he will be undisputed Leader of the Offense. He can really do some special things next year, if he comes back...and he and his Dad know it. I don't know how high money sits on that family's decision tree.

    Which is more valuable, to the Beck Family...[money] or [immortality, money and fame]. One more year...and, he has a shot at having it all. I don't think I could pass that up. But, "different strokes", as they say.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2023

    Lol...it started with "The Me Generation" of the '60's-'70's...and ended with "The Me Too Generation" of the 2000's.

    Final Product?.... "The All About Me Society". Where's the Love? Lol

  • reddawg1reddawg1 Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I went back and watched some more HS highlights of Raioloa and Puglisi as well as GS. Puglisi does have a cannon and he can run perhaps some better than CB. But GS was the best runner in HS of the other three. But just say Pulisi and Raiola, no question about it. All can throw the ball down the field 65 plus yards and thats mostly what you get on these HS highlights of QB's. But IMO that doesn't tell you as much as the 25 yard seed over the middle in tight coverage, At UGA a QB only gets 1 or 2 of the deep passes per game so what is most important is can they make the tight window, pressure in your face, type throws?

    No one we currently have or may have moving forward makes those throws better than CB. Being 6'4" with a quick release certainly helps.

    GS IMO at least in his HS film, either doesn't like the pocket or maybe had to move out of the pocket due to his O-Line situation, I wouldn't consider him a pocket passer, unless he's gotten more comfortable the past year. HIs height is a drawback for pocket passing. But he is dangerous with the ball in his hands and he throws a great deep ball with seemingly great precision. But again, that won't be your bread and butter in college.

    Both GS and Puglisi have fairly long arrm actions when compared to DR. DR has the most effortless release that I have seen in any QB, in college or coming out of HS. It is beautiful to watch the effortless release of his passes. I think the guy is special, if he gets his mind right. Sad to lose him.

    When watching Puglisi you can tell the competition around him was weak, sort of like with BVG and GS.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited December 2023

    @BigDawg61

    Ya know, for an old timer I woulda thought that you woulda learned something by now.

    HS competition level "doesn't matter"? Aren't you the same guy that said Arch Manning played against such a low level of competition that he might never be up to speed for the SEC? There are incremental steps in competition from HS JV to the NFL. Going from VERY low level HS competition to productive SEC QUARTERBACK is a HUGE leap. The mental part of mastering a pro style O like UGA's alone is a 2 year process. Minimum.

    So now you are comparing Puglisi to Herschel Walker??? You are the same guy that said Marcus Washington (remember him?) could enroll early and compete because (and I quote, LOL) " he COULD BE LaBron James or Kobe Bryant". Because "we don't know". Yes we pretty much know. The odds are miniscule and infinitesimal that guys step in and play championship caliber CFB at QB the 1st year. Walker was a once in a generation RUNNING BACK. NOT a QB. RB's can contribute immediately. QB's cannot.

    Football, back in your day, and even 40 years ago in HWalker's day is totally different than football now. More and better athletes, better coaching and development, better training and nutrition, more intricate and sophisticated defenses, I could go on.

    The point is that QB is the hardest position to play. You can throw any QB out there. But we saw how much preparation CBeck received to be able to come out and play at a high level this year. And he still folded up under pressure in the SECCG.

    A good, experienced QB, at the college level, can influence success more than a good team can compete for championships w/poor QB play. YOU said that '23 UGA playing UGA's 24 schedule "could lose 2-3 games". W/o an experienced, productive QB (CBeck) '24 UGA can lose 5 games. The team is losing a lot of talent. They are adding FRESHMAN talent. Freshman talent does not win the SEC. There better be some (6-7 starters?) big time talent coming into the program from the TP or UGA is set back to '16 program expectations. ESPECIALLY w/o a CBeck level player at QB.

    My research of the 60's shows that the kids of the 60's were not "me first". They were idealists unified against the "establishment" for the perceived greater good. 500,000 attended a rock festival with no water, food or facilities, for 4 days, w/nary a fistfight. Those same idealistic "me first" baby boomers are now trying to save the world out of Uncle Sam's pocket (yours and my tax dollars). Unfortunately to the extreme detriment and neglect of our own country. You should know better than anyone, idealism isn't reality. Hardly "me first" but certainly not a discussion for this forum.

  • reddawg1reddawg1 Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I didn't see CB fold up during the SECC game. Was he tested moreso against BAMA's defense than any other all year? HEck yes! THe miscue between him and Bell wasn't due to pressure he was under, he kept leading UGA back in the 2nd half. DId he have a Heisman moment? Hardly! But did he fold? Maybe you didn't mean it to sound so harsh.

    21-29 for 243 against BAMA is folding? He played within Bobo's system, which was to try to keep ruuning the ball even when it wasn't working. Only Eleven pass attempts in the 1st half, half of those were on the first drive for 7 points. 18 pass attempts in the 2nd half and we score 17 oints. 34 yards rushing on 11 tries in the 2nd half. It dang sure wasn't the rushing attack that garnered the points.

    ANd yet still, aside from the no call incomplete pass and the missed FG, that was hurt by the Illegal Procedure, and the fumble, looks like we win.

    I will stick by what I;ve said all along, we were never going to beat BAMA running it. Not that I'm against throwing in some runs. But I believe we ran it virtually the same amount as the throws. Our best shot was throwing it around to multiple receivers and running to surprise not to establish anything.

    Some might say,we're never going to win if CB has to throw it 48 times. THat's not what I'm saying at all. Somewhere between 29 times and 48 times would be the happy medium. THeres a difference between passing to win and passing because you're forced to because you're getting killed.

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