Honeymoon is over for Pruitt. More issues looming...

BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 303 ✭✭✭ Junior

A fairly significant percentage of the people on VN have already started to turn on him after yesterdays fiasco, and now a new potential real doozie crept up on them yesterday afternoon. Check out the thread on late offer and signee Joseph Norwood of Brainerd. Didnt play his jr year after transferring from Ooltewah. That much is confirmed. The rest is...well...

Advance to page 9 of his thread and start reading. Initial excitement and then the clouds move in.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/289515-18-tn-ath-joseph-norwood-tennessee-signee.html

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  • corai3corai3 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Page 11 some peoples tune changed.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 303 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @corai3 said:
    Page 11 some peoples tune changed.

    Im very thankful we arent having that discussion. For real.

  • corai3corai3 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭ Junior

    R ape is never anything you want a recruit involved in.

  • JayDogJayDog Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Bankwalker said:
    A fairly significant percentage of the people on VN have already started to turn on him after yesterdays fiasco, and now a new potential real doozie crept up on them yesterday afternoon. Check out the thread on late offer and signee Joseph Norwood of Brainerd. Didnt play his jr year after transferring from Ooltewah. That much is confirmed. The rest is...well...

    Advance to page 9 of his thread and start reading. Initial excitement and then the clouds move in.

    http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/289515-18-tn-ath-joseph-norwood-tennessee-signee.html

    Those fans are justified in their rage with Pruitt. He's been there too long to have such a terrible NSD. They should call for his firing immediately! It will take Phil 3 years, but with attitudes like theirs--they will probably get their wish. More laughter for us in the meantime!

  • CoachRob16CoachRob16 Posts: 309 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Amazing how quickly some will change their toon when they find out something.

  • otis1105otis1105 Posts: 9 ✭ Freshman

    I think Pruitt is a good coach. And I know Richt was head coach but Pruitt never struck me as the absolute best recruiter. ZO and bell, Roquan and TT were great players he brought in but he left our secondary in a position that we have had to protect it for 3 years now. To me Pruitt has recruited well but he recruits to the status of the school he was at. He did better at FSU and Bama than he did here. Kirby has made UGA an FSU or Bama type destination.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @CoachRob16 said:
    Amazing how quickly some will change their toon when they find out something.

    I would not be happy if my coach was signing a recruit found guilty of raping four high school freshmen with a pool cue. Left one young man hospitalized and requiring emergency surgery. Being from Ooltewah... it was weird to hear about it happening at the high school.

  • JKFlyfishJKFlyfish Posts: 176 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Thanks for finding this stuff for us. They provide us great amusement! If anyone finds the Gator forum with sad fan threads, please feel free to post. I'd love to read that too. :D :D

  • BojanglesInsiderBojanglesInsider Posts: 391 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Pruitt will be eaten alive before this is over. Fulmer and that fan base will absolutely feast upon him and Rocky Top will find itself embroiled in scandals unlike ever before

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 982 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @BojanglesInsider said:
    Pruitt will be eaten alive before this is over. Fulmer and that fan base will absolutely feast upon him and Rocky Top will find itself embroiled in scandals unlike ever before

    I think Pruitt will get them back to a bowl game, be the next super-hot coaching prospect, and bail for a big program. I don't see him getting UT to the SECCG, but just enough to look competitive again...which when compared to where they are now would be a miracle. That will be enough to get other programs interested. I just think there is something culturally wrong with the UT program, and hiring Fulmer as AD was absolutely a step in the wrong direction. I think Pruitt has bigger and better things in his future.

  • greshamdiscogreshamdisco Posts: 298 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    The fundamental problems with Vol Nation haven’t changed: weak recruiting base, under-performing University, redneck fan base, and a long trail of failed teams over the past 20 years. The administration there is a problem, but a bigger problems is unrealistic expectations on a weak coaching staff. I could be wrong, but Pruitt will be gone in four years before he has time to turn things around.

  • donmdonm Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @otis1105 said:
    I think Pruitt is a good coach. And I know Richt was head coach but Pruitt never struck me as the absolute best recruiter. ZO and bell, Roquan and TT were great players he brought in but he left our secondary in a position that we have had to protect it for 3 years now. To me Pruitt has recruited well but he recruits to the status of the school he was at. He did better at FSU and Bama than he did here. Kirby has made UGA an FSU or Bama type destination.

    How long was he at FSU? it's been mentioned several times on this forum that he was the NC DC but with other folks' recruits. Was he there long enough to have a major recruiting impact?

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 114 ✭✭✭ Junior

    @donm said:

    @otis1105 said:
    I think Pruitt is a good coach. And I know Richt was head coach but Pruitt never struck me as the absolute best recruiter. ZO and bell, Roquan and TT were great players he brought in but he left our secondary in a position that we have had to protect it for 3 years now. To me Pruitt has recruited well but he recruits to the status of the school he was at. He did better at FSU and Bama than he did here. Kirby has made UGA an FSU or Bama type destination.

    How long was he at FSU? it's been mentioned several times on this forum that he was the NC DC but with other folks' recruits. Was he there long enough to have a major recruiting impact?

    Was coaching high school till 2010 bama DBs 10-11 FSU 12-13 uga 14-15 bama 16-18

  • BigcalidawgBigcalidawg Posts: 336 ✭✭✭ Junior

    I’m no Vols fan, especially after AJs phantom unsportsmanlike, Nicks injury, and the Hail Mary.

    That being said, Vol fans need to pump their brakes on Pruitt. Kirby’s first year, we dang near lost to Nichols State

  • greshamdiscogreshamdisco Posts: 298 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    The situation with this man offered by the Vols is VERY disturbing. I read through their message board for a while. To most of their fans’ credit, they are horrified and don’t want him wearing prisoner orange - except as a prisoner. However, some fans are looking the other way and making excuses for Pruit. This player helped sexually assault a minor with a broom and plead guilty. And they are complaining about a hat being tossed?

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @greshamdisco said:
    The situation with this man offered by the Vols is VERY disturbing. I read through their message board for a while. To most of their fans’ credit, they are horrified and don’t want him wearing prisoner orange - except as a prisoner. However, some fans are looking the other way and making excuses for Pruit. This player helped sexually assault a minor with a broom and plead guilty. And they are complaining about a hat being tossed?

    Agree 100% something’s are more important than football

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 303 ✭✭✭ Junior
    edited February 8

    @donm said:

    @otis1105 said:
    I think Pruitt is a good coach. And I know Richt was head coach but Pruitt never struck me as the absolute best recruiter. ZO and bell, Roquan and TT were great players he brought in but he left our secondary in a position that we have had to protect it for 3 years now. To me Pruitt has recruited well but he recruits to the status of the school he was at. He did better at FSU and Bama than he did here. Kirby has made UGA an FSU or Bama type destination.

    How long was he at FSU? it's been mentioned several times on this forum that he was the NC DC but with other folks' recruits. Was he there long enough to have a major recruiting impact?

    He hasn't been anywhere long enough to call a defense his own. The Vols are trying to be supportive of their program and coach, but his track record is not really a track record. A this point their animated enthusiasm is just pure hubris. He has ascended to HC of a major program in very rapid fashion. He knows X's and O's, but that's not the same as running an entire program. He also hired a relatively inexperienced coaching staff. I'm not sure he has anyone there who can legitimately offer a counterpoint for him to consider. Their believe that he has hired the best of everything on his staff is as myopic as it gets. They believe Phil Fulmer is there to fill in the blanks for the man, like Pruitt is going to be visiting Fulmer for advice or give him a headset during games so he can give his opinion on the fly. Bulldog fans know from his time in Athens that Pruitt is as bull-headed about doing things his way as there is. He definitely doesn't strike me as one to be asking many people for advice. Good luck to them. Time will tell, but the one accurate statement I have seen regarding Pruitt that I believe to be true is this - this is his FIRST head coaching job, meaning it won't be his last. How long he stays in Rocky Top is yet to be determined. I also believe he will leave the Vols in better shape than he found them, whether he leaves for another position or gets fired.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @JRT812 said:

    @greshamdisco said:
    The situation with this man offered by the Vols is VERY disturbing. I read through their message board for a while. To most of their fans’ credit, they are horrified and don’t want him wearing prisoner orange - except as a prisoner. However, some fans are looking the other way and making excuses for Pruit. This player helped sexually assault a minor with a broom and plead guilty. And they are complaining about a hat being tossed?

    Agree 100% something’s are more important than football

    Quoting because it won’t let me edit. The phone autocorrected to something’s and meant some things are more important than football. Still can’t believe some people on that board are looking past what happened with a pool cue and young man. Unreal. Used to stand up for Pruitt, but not anymore.

  • PlayHurtPlayHurt Posts: 108 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Pruitt = Brian VanGorder II
    Might want to keep a suitcase packed.

  • mattmd2mattmd2 Posts: 331 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Pruitt is like the "kick me" sign on someone's back, or the TP stuck to TN's shoe leaving the restroom. We all see it but they don't. Let's just sit back and watch the vols make a total mockery of themselves.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Not sure why my response didn’t stick. It’s crazy right? It wasn’t one writer going after some kids and it wasn’t some kids being kids. At the time it was all over the Internet. Finding names is not that difficult. I imagine someone who posted that information on the Vol board was from that area and knew he was part of it.

  • greshamdiscogreshamdisco Posts: 298 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 8

    Zero reasons why that person should have been offered. We should not have players who beat women on our team or sodomize children. Sick. If there is a substance abuse or addiction issue, get them help and provide a chance to turn things around once you are clean. But sexual assault is not in the same universe. As I said earlier, they will complain about a hat tossed or a country kid singing a song about football teams (“break their legs!”), but trust Pruitt on this one. Smh.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @greshamdisco said:
    Zero reasons why that person should have been offered. We should not have players who beat women on our team or sodomize children. Sick. If there is a substance abuse or addiction issue, get them help and provide a chance to turn things around once you are clean. But sexual assault is not in the same universe. As I said earlier, they will complain about a hat tossed or a country bit singing a song, but trust Pruitt on this one. Smh.

    Some of those folks on that board were talking about second chances. Nope and nope not for that type of action.

  • BojanglesInsiderBojanglesInsider Posts: 391 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    @JRT812 said:

    @greshamdisco said:
    Zero reasons why that person should have been offered. We should not have players who beat women on our team or sodomize children. Sick. If there is a substance abuse or addiction issue, get them help and provide a chance to turn things around once you are clean. But sexual assault is not in the same universe. As I said earlier, they will complain about a hat tossed or a country bit singing a song, but trust Pruitt on this one. Smh.

    Some of those folks on that board were talking about second chances. Nope and nope not for that type of action.

    The tune will change when they get tired of Pruitt. They'll suddenly find morals on this topic if he doesn't make rocky top great again. It'll be among their talking points for why he's incompetent and should be replaced

  • dawgbybirthdawgbybirth Posts: 316 ✭✭✭ Junior
    edited February 8

    It's wait n see. Thanks Pruit for the push on the indoor practice facility and upgrade to our defensive path. He is a good Denfensive coach , has a vision and will be another hungry dog on the recruiting trail with a good staff.
    Do not think it is in our interest to have weak teams and coaches and be like Wisconsin schedule.
    We all like Gameday talking about the big Georgia matchup. Georgia Clemson and especially Alabama horded all the talent in the SEC East.

    Pruitt an upgrade and Tenn will improve, their battle is can they be maybe the 5th best SEC team. There not likely going to be first unless the billionares of Tenn go crazy in donations and out build everyone else and draw attention.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 303 ✭✭✭ Junior

    This is not an effort to defend the kid. Just an observation with which anyone can agree or disagree. Check out the kid's twitter page, and watch his interview. I have no clue what happened, but on social media he appears to be a well-behaved kid who has been very gracious on social media to every school which hosted or visited with him. He uses proper language, and has a 3.2 gpa. The give away was during his interview after signing.. He said, "I've worked hard. I deserve this." That's not what you ever hear a kid say about a scholarship offer. Just the way he said it, too. You can hear his self-doubt, like he's trying to say, "Ive paid my price and tried hard to be a good person. I deserve a 2nd chance."

    I wish I hadn't posted on this, honestly. It is not my place to pass judgement on him. Obviously feel for the victim of such a heinous crime, too. Sometimes so called "hazings" get carried away with multiple people when only one person is malicious and the others involved think they are just messing around with someone. Like I said, I have no clue what happened, or even if he was actually involved but he does not come across as a sick little deviant at all.

    Glad it's UT's issue to work out and not UGA's.

  • levanderlevander Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Is there at least some work the kid has done with a psychologist Pruitt can point to that has the psychologist putting their professional reputation on the line to say the kid is not a sociopath?

    I’m all for second chances. But it’s never even occurred to me to do that to somebody. Evil does exist and it’s our job to stay as far away from it as possible.

    Twitter pages and recorded interviews aren’t really proof. Nor is the word of a football coach who has his own history of not getting along with people. Yes, football coaches know young men better than the average person. But I’ve never heard of them being specifically trained to deal with sickos. Next we’ll be hearing about how much his momma loves him.

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