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@polynikes First let me thank you for your family's military heritage (no sarcasm). I know the difficulties involved.
Also,I never said the general population didn't have thier share of medical problems. My argument is that percentage wise, when it comes to job related injuries, the military's is greater. While I didn't do an extensive search, this article popped up immediately (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4939-2984-9_1). The physical requirements on just the basic troop (I can only speak for the Army) is overwhelmingly higher than your average job. This doesn't even not take into account the combat arms, or special forces, section of the military.
As for civilians getting shot, that is a **** analogy. First there are more civilians than military (about 100x more), sojust based on that, there are going to be more of them getting shot. Second, very few jobs in the civilan world run the risk that the military does (with the exception of first responders). You stated that you have friends that have had limbs blown off and even friends that have died (I'm sorry about both), where those civilan friends or military friends? I was EOD in the military and I too have had friends lose body parts and die. However, since I retired in 2005, I have never had a civilian friend blown up, lose a limb, get shot down, or even be shot at. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a civilian friend that happened to even when I was in the military.
Lastly, I agree that the OP was wrong trying to elicit sympathy for his combat time and he was also wrong to imply that UGA didn't care about vets.
Hope you enjoyed the movie.
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For every military guy who fell out of a helicopter, got shot (civilians are shot every day in America), or suffered any other type of catastrophic injury, there is are NUMBER of civilians who can at least equal the severity of that service member's injury.
The gun shot wound thing is NOT a bad analogy. My point with it is that anything that happens to a member of the armed service likewise happens to civilians.
Roofers fall off the roof and break their neck all the time, guys laying brick develop the same overuse injuries as members of the military, guys and gals who hang sheet rock blow out their shoulders and back every day, and elevator repairmen fall all the time.
Injuries in the military are extremely more common outside of combat than inside of combat, and those injuries are largely musculoskeletal and of the overuse type. You're just as likely to find those same problems in your local policeman, who wears a bullet bouncer daily.
I have a bad back. I was in special operations as well. If you want to know specifics I'll tell you via PM and not here in the open forum. My back problem is much more likely to be from the years of mixed martial arts after the military than during the military. Yes, I humped (very) heavy rucks often, I jumped out of planes with heavy rucks, and I ran with heavy rucks. In no way can I ABSOLUTELY blame the military for my back pain that is daily, and yes it makes it hard to sleep.
I am just as likely to have the same back issue had I never been in the military. Explain to me why there is no shortage of ppl with desk jobs who have bad backs at 40? Why is that if they're not humping a heavy ruck?
This is the internet, and it is difficult to really have a decent discussion about anything bc it is done without tone, emphasis, etc, but don't get me wrong - I am 100% for the military, I support aid for servicemen and women who need help, and I don't think that just bc someone has a musculoskeletal condition that he or she isn't legit...
Oh...I 100% DO know civilians who have lost limbs at work doing civilian jobs. Again, I take care of these ppl.
You may be shocked to know that amputations still happen at work, and they happen all the time. Amputations also happen from car wrecks and diabetes, and you know the most common reason for amputation is diabetes right?
If you're saying that civilians don't lose their limbs as frequently as military members by way of a vehicle-born IED, I agree...The fact remains that even more civilians lose limbs than military members so if you come into contact with an amputee at any mall in America, that person is more likely than not to be a civilian.
..by the way, my overall point in even responding to this topic was to say that this guy has injuries that anyone in America could have, and his having been in the military is completely irrelevant.
Whether someone is a veteran or not, if he or she is disabled they should get assistance as they need it.
Just bc someone is a veteran doesn't mean he or she has more worth or intrinsic value to our country than someone who is disabled after being hit by a drunk driver.
If you're disabled you're disabled and you deserve assistance, but don't ever bring that veteran victim BS up in front of me bc I've come to know a lot of wonderful ppl with disabilities who deserve the same help and same benefits.
This is well said and reflects how I feel as well. I’ll add if you are a DV with with bad knees you should prolly not try and draw attention to fact as most of who have served in GWAT have bad joints ourselves and know plenty of good dudes who would trade anything to only have bad knees, yet you would NEVER hear them complain about it.
I will keep my hand out of the cookie jar on this one. However, I do want to offer my gratitude to all that has served or is in active service.
@Polynikes You'll never get it dude. No matter how much I try to explain it. The numbers arent the same. Its like saying more fish than bears are killed every year. Its going to be that way because there are just MORE OF THEM. Thus a bad analogy.
Also, you have lived an amazing life. Special operations and you are a specialist in muscoskeletal problems. Honestly I respected you until your story kept getting bigger and bigger. I would be willing to bet that if we were talking about unicorns, you would want to tell me how yall raised them on a farm when you were younger. I can only assume your next evolution will be Head of Orthopedics at Walter Reed.
Yoi cry that you are for veterans, but your words say other wise. On that note, I'm not all that gung ho about my service or my disability, but I try not to put down those that are, unlike you.
This is where you lost me ⬇️.
As for the "Veteran's victim bs," the MAJORITY of veterans never say a thing. If you were truly one, you would know that. So what happens to way to many of those veterans who don't complain:
But I'm sure you're glad that they kept thier mouths shut so you wouldn't have to hear them complain.
My last post on the subject:
Your desire to group prior/current military medical problems with the civilian population is just sad. Does someone who was injured in a car crash, as opposed to a combat zone, deserve any less care? No. And nothing I ever said pointed to that. However, while I don't disrespect the the car crash victim, I do respect the Veteran more. Again, unlike you.
What movie did you see?
You're entirely missing my point, probably bc this is taking place over the internet.
What part of my story is "getting bigger and bigger?" You want proof I'm not lying about what I used to do? You want me to send you a private message that contains pics of my school certificates while on active duty?
Why are you bringing up suicide, and why would you say I'm glad they didn't complain?
Why would you say that? Also the other stuff you're attributing to me is just completely asinine and a gross mischaracterization of what I said.
So...
Many of those suicide victims did speak up about the problems they had been having and they went UNHEARD. Many of them reached out to the bloated and inefficient VA, and in doing so received no help. I've worked at 2 VA facilities (Decatur and Palo Alto), and I can attest to the inefficiency of the VA overall.
But yeah, let me know when you need me to prove that I haven't made ANYTHING up in this thread...I'm happy to prove I'm exactly who i say I am...
My dad will be 89 in August. Mom will be 87 in December season ticket holders for 45 plus years. They get around OK, but the walk to stadium is getting pretty tough for them. Not far away, but fairly long for someone of their age.
One thing I noticed in South Bend for the Notre Dame game is that the campus goes over and beyond to assist fans of both schools in hospitality and transportation of those in need or not. I really do hope that UGA will take notice an follow their awareness of those who need the help. Just a golf cart ride close to the gate would be 100x a step forward in what could be offered.
Plans are fr a fan hospitality program, Silver Dawgs. I was curious if that had started/had a test run for G-Day.
https://dawgnation.com/football/team-news/georgia-hopes-new-silver-dawgs-will-better-notre-dame-hospitality
Awesome! Thanks for the heads up!!
Leave it to the army. You want a nipple for your beer bottle too?
Dang. This thread... whew. It went down several roads, probably somewhere in the dirt now (I guess?)
Yeah, it’s kind of funny when arguments get bitter over whether or not Fields has a chance to start over Fromm or not. But OP basically wanted a chair to sit in while waiting in line at G-Day. And didn’t think it was too much to ask, especially considering his disabilities were obtained serving the country in the military. So then a bunch of you start dumping on him because in his frustration, he went a little too far in criticizing the university.
This thread is just sad, you people who used this thread to dump on the guy should be ashamed of yourselves.
Even if it had nothing to do with the military, but was just a guy frustrated with medical issues he has to deal with, you could have just explained to him and expressed sympathy. E.g., it wouldn’t have been hard just to be nice when someone is talking about real issues they struggle with.
And yeah, it does sound like the guy didn’t plan as well as was possible. But not planning everything right is kind of de rigeur when it comes to travel in my experience.