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CZCashvilleDawg Georgia is going to lose D'Marcus Hayes for sure. So two tackles would be Hayes and most likely Andrew Thomas. If Georgia is as good as I think they will be in 2019. I think they may also lose Isaiah Wilson along with Solomon Kindley and Ben Cleveland. Both Solomon and Ben will be red-shirt juniors or scholastic seniors. This is not bad but good because Georgia seems to be loading up on O-linemen this year. A 2020 O-line of LT Cade Mays, LG Jamaree Salyer, C Trey Hill, RG Justin Shaffer, RT Owen Condon with Warren Ericson, Clay Webb and Warren McClendon would look very good.
@Muffingod Gray > McGlothern.
Gray vs Pouncey would be tight.
@oldon42 That was a quote from Tate himself, not by me. Tate says and is referring to guys leaving early / starters leaving (Thomas and Wilson). Hayes is a non factor here.
My 2020 lineup would look something like this:
LT Cade Mays
LG Clay Webb
C Trey Hill,
RG Jamaree Salyer (put better guard paired with new tackle / if Cleveland is there, Flip the guard spots)
RT Owen Condon / Warren McClendon / Truss / B Jones (ideally Cleveland comes back and takes this spot)
I seriously doubt that 4 of the 5 starting o-line leave early for the pros. Cleveland has yet to start for an entire season. He did not start in 2017 until after the Auburn game and as we all know, he was hurt at Missouri last year and missed the end of the season. Thomas will be a 3 year starter so he is likely gone. I also doubt that Kindley leaves early. Guards are not a highly valuable position in the NFL plus a number of college tackles are converted to guard in the NFL. Wilson will depend on the type of year that he has this year.
I have Thomas 100% (barring injury), Wilson 90%, Kindley and Cleveland <50%
If Kindley has a good season, his stock probably won’t get any higher coming back. Could see him with a 3rd round grade ceiling if he tests well. (Again based on having a quality season, baring injury of course too)
3 of the top 5 guards are juniors and 4 of top 10 in the draft for tonight. If Kindley or Big Ben get a top 10 grade for their position they gone.
https://walterfootball.com/draft2019OG.php
The top ranked guard (according to Walter Football) is Cody Ford, who played right tackle at Oklahoma and many believe can play tackle in the NFL. Erik McCoy, who is rated third, Michael Jordan, rated 4th, and McGovern, rated 7th, have versatility because they can play guard or center. Ryan Bates, rated 9th, played tackle at Penn State. There is not a guard only junior rated in the top 10. Right now, Cleveland and Kindley are both guard only, particularly Kindley. Cleveland may have a chance to slide out to right tackle in 2020 if Wilson leaves early.
Also, it is hard to take Walter Football too seriously when they have Wilson listed as attending Ohio State. Just saying.
Walters or Charlie’s ?
If Kindley and Cleveland are good enough to start in front of Salyer and Mays this year - they will be rated high enough to enter the draft next year - and probably will.
Four guards were drafted in the first two rounds in 2018. In 2017 a guard wasn't taken until the 115th pick.
Pittman is preparing to lose 4-5 lineman including Hayes.
Go to 2020 OT prospects and look at #9. https://walterfootball.com/draft2020OT.php
Thomas has to leave barring massive injury. If Wilson stays healthy he will get strong looks, could slide inside at next level. Kindley graded out as our best O-lineman last year, no injury history, he's really getting overlooked here. So we are looking at replacing AT LEAST 1 but up to 3 guys after this year. Next year, I could see Mays leaving, has film all over the line and should replace Thomas at LT. Cleveland will be RSr so it'll be his last year. Hill will have two years starting experience in the SEC at center, can play guard next level, he could leave in 2020. So either way in two years we are looking at a totally different lineup. Tons of playing time to be sold all over the line
The only redshirt sophomore offensive lineman, which Wilson will be this year, that I can find to enter the NFL draft was Tyler Roemer from San Diego State, who was suspended from the football team and has been accused of emotional and physical abuse. It is extremely rare for an offensive lineman with 2 years of eligibility to leave school early.
Good point. You may be right. All I'm offering is opinion and I'm batting no better than 50% on my opinions. (@ least I hope I'm 50%)
Kids do s.tupid stuff all of the time so who knows. I just can't find an example of a redshirt sophomore offensive lineman leaving school. I was surprised to see several defensive lineman who left as redshirt sophomores. Those just seems like positions where continued physical and mental development is necessary.
Playing devils advocate here, but it’s also a premium position and if he’s healthy he will have two years of starting time on a championship contender. That’s more than enough to get a 1-2 round grade. NFL looks at projected upside and Wilson has plenty of that given his size and skill set.
I do not think him being a redshirt sophomore will matter to him or anyone else come draft time. The main thing would be where he is projected to be drafted. We do not have a lot of examples of redshirt sophomores entering the draft on the Offensive Line because almost none of them have the option to be drafted or at least do not have the option to be drafted in an early round. Wilson will certainly have this opportunity, and was only redshirted in the first place because he had a first round draft pick in Wynn and a likely first round draft pick in Thomas starting in front of him.
Yea, that is not true. Wilson redshirted because he was not ready for the southern heat or the SEC. To his credit, he used the redshirt year to get better but it had everything to do with his preparedness, not the people in front of him
Washington got another CB to bama...