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BrooklynDawg

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@Croatiadawg said:
Croatia has 4 million - almost all home grown Croats (a couple from Croatian families in other European countries) on their team. They do have four former refugees - FROM CROATIA.

France has 16 recent immigrants out of 23 - typical French names like Mbappe, Pogba, Sidibe, Kante, Dembele, Hernandez, Umtiti, Kempembe, Nzonzi, Fekir, let's just say they or recruit, grant visas speed. Of course, Russia had a Fernandes that wasn't a citizen at the time of the last Eurocup.

At the bar I watched part of the game at, I did. Price a bunch of black guys on the French soccer team. I actually made a comment “not many black guys in France, except on the soccer team...”. There was a guy there who is apparently really liberal, and he launches into a story about how a bunch of blacks moved to France after World War 2 from America, because they noticed how the French don’t racialist and treat people poorly etcetera... When he was done everyone listening just nodded their head at the guy and went off doing other stuff... I figured he was making it up. I just looked on Wikipedia. 90% of France is French-born. They estimate that only like 4% of the French population is black...

Now that you point it out, you could tell something was up just watching the game... I remember watching it thinking, “is that what a Frenchmen looks like?” But I didn’t want to say anything after having had to listen to that **** blacks in WW2 story.

Don't know what liberal has to do with it, but the guy wasn't exactly wrong. Thought this might have been false, but I found this.

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/02/218074523/paris-has-been-a-haven-for-african-americans-escaping-racism

I guess the guy was right.

Liberal has to do with it because the left is heavily invested in identity politics and calling as much as they can find racism. If you watch CNN, they’ll actually occasionally talk about how they’ve decided racism has a much broader meaning these days than it used to. Plus, I didn’t get into some of the other political things the guy said that everybody just ignored.

That article gives little in the way of specifics. But what it’s talking about happened a lot with blacks moving to bigger cities to escape racism. It’s a part of why the Mississippi Blues gave way to the Chicago Blues, Like the first migration it talks about is the Louisiana purchase when the US bought that territory from the French. Go figure, a bunch of Frenchmen moving back to France...

A lot of American soldiers have stayed behind after their involvement in foreign wars have ended. That article just assumes the reason soldiers stayed in France was to escape racism. And I’m sure it was a part of it. But especially giving the numbers of recent immigrants on the French soccer team, it doesn’t really explain what was going on with their soccer team.

France has a heavy Samoli refugee population. If their team was heavily influenced by black player's then they must just be that good. As far as the article goes I was just showing you he had merrit to his statement. And as the liberal side of things go, there are republicans that see the same thing and have spoken on it. It's not just a left thing, it is an American thing. We have a lot of problems here to fix and racism is the oldest one. If we fix that and stop treating it like it's a political left or right thing then we can move on with other issues a lot easier. But this is not the forum for that. Back to the regularly scheduled conversations, GO DAWGS!

Nobody said the players weren’t any good... They were on a team that just won a World Cup.

It’s weird to me you don’t understand the ~5% of the French population that’s black doesn’t explain the over-representation of blacks on the French soccer team. But like a lot of people who take the left’s political propaganda too seriously, any time anything about race comes up, you want to blame it on America being racist...

France has so many black men on their soccer team today because America was really racist after World War 2, lol...

Ok since this is where you want to be when Jesus comes back, let's take this ride. Remember that you pulled this card not me. I understand numbers and I understand percentages. Do you understand soccer camps? These guys have been groomed since the ages of 4 to play soccer. Those same kids are put through grueling tests of will against professional players. The cream that rises is just that, the cream. The fact that the white population couldn't surpass the players on this WC team has more to do with them than the players. They were just that good and represented their country, whether they are products of American immigrants means nothing. So save it

Second, race has everything to do with the mindset and nothing to do with liberals or conservative. Conservatives have come to the defense on the minorities just like the Liberals, some more than others. The fact you want to place sides on an inherited problem in this country says more about your character than which side is right. You drank the separation koolaid that this administration has served. Our problems( racism, sexism, classism, and etc) are just that, our problems. Not just one side. And if you dont get it then that's on you to learn.

Lastly, stay with talking about the team. Nobody came to this forum to see us go back and forth over non team issues. If you want to hash this out the DM me. I will gladly rip you a new 1 in the privacy of your messager and call it a day. I'm not Liberl or conservative. I'm an American and the issues I feel strongly about I will speak and vote for. You want to attack me or others about that then you are the real threat to our democracy because you are splitting us up when we should be coming together. Now grow up, talk to a neighbor with opposite views as you, or read a book. Educate yourself before you speak. It makes you look weak. Dm me and don't quote if you want more of the same. If not, good day sir.

levander

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@Croatiadawg said:
Croatia has 4 million - almost all home grown Croats (a couple from Croatian families in other European countries) on their team. They do have four former refugees - FROM CROATIA.

France has 16 recent immigrants out of 23 - typical French names like Mbappe, Pogba, Sidibe, Kante, Dembele, Hernandez, Umtiti, Kempembe, Nzonzi, Fekir, let's just say they or recruit, grant visas speed. Of course, Russia had a Fernandes that wasn't a citizen at the time of the last Eurocup.

At the bar I watched part of the game at, I did. Price a bunch of black guys on the French soccer team. I actually made a comment “not many black guys in France, except on the soccer team...”. There was a guy there who is apparently really liberal, and he launches into a story about how a bunch of blacks moved to France after World War 2 from America, because they noticed how the French don’t racialist and treat people poorly etcetera... When he was done everyone listening just nodded their head at the guy and went off doing other stuff... I figured he was making it up. I just looked on Wikipedia. 90% of France is French-born. They estimate that only like 4% of the French population is black...

Now that you point it out, you could tell something was up just watching the game... I remember watching it thinking, “is that what a Frenchmen looks like?” But I didn’t want to say anything after having had to listen to that **** blacks in WW2 story.

Don't know what liberal has to do with it, but the guy wasn't exactly wrong. Thought this might have been false, but I found this.

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/02/218074523/paris-has-been-a-haven-for-african-americans-escaping-racism

I guess the guy was right.

Liberal has to do with it because the left is heavily invested in identity politics and calling as much as they can find racism. If you watch CNN, they’ll actually occasionally talk about how they’ve decided racism has a much broader meaning these days than it used to. Plus, I didn’t get into some of the other political things the guy said that everybody just ignored.

That article gives little in the way of specifics. But what it’s talking about happened a lot with blacks moving to bigger cities to escape racism. It’s a part of why the Mississippi Blues gave way to the Chicago Blues, Like the first migration it talks about is the Louisiana purchase when the US bought that territory from the French. Go figure, a bunch of Frenchmen moving back to France...

A lot of American soldiers have stayed behind after their involvement in foreign wars have ended. That article just assumes the reason soldiers stayed in France was to escape racism. And I’m sure it was a part of it. But especially giving the numbers of recent immigrants on the French soccer team, it doesn’t really explain what was going on with their soccer team.

France has a heavy Samoli refugee population. If their team was heavily influenced by black player's then they must just be that good. As far as the article goes I was just showing you he had merrit to his statement. And as the liberal side of things go, there are republicans that see the same thing and have spoken on it. It's not just a left thing, it is an American thing. We have a lot of problems here to fix and racism is the oldest one. If we fix that and stop treating it like it's a political left or right thing then we can move on with other issues a lot easier. But this is not the forum for that. Back to the regularly scheduled conversations, GO DAWGS!

Nobody said the players weren’t any good... They were on a team that just won a World Cup.

It’s weird to me you don’t understand the ~5% of the French population that’s black doesn’t explain the over-representation of blacks on the French soccer team. But like a lot of people who take the left’s political propaganda too seriously, any time anything about race comes up, you want to blame it on America being racist...

France has so many black men on their soccer team today because America was really racist after World War 2, lol...

Ok since this is where you want to be when Jesus comes back, let's take this ride. Remember that you pulled this card not me. I understand numbers and I understand percentages. Do you understand soccer camps? These guys have been groomed since the ages of 4 to play soccer. Those same kids are put through grueling tests of will against professional players. The cream that rises is just that, the cream. The fact that the white population couldn't surpass the players on this WC team has more to do with them than the players. They were just that good and represented their country, whether they are products of American immigrants means nothing. So save it

Second, race has everything to do with the mindset and nothing to do with liberals or conservative. Conservatives have come to the defense on the minorities just like the Liberals, some more than others. The fact you want to place sides on an inherited problem in this country says more about your character than which side is right. You drank the separation koolaid that this administration has served. Our problems( racism, sexism, classism, and etc) are just that, our problems. Not just one side. And if you dont get it then that's on you to learn.

Lastly, stay with talking about the team. Nobody came to this forum to see us go back and forth over non team issues. If you want to hash this out the DM me. I will gladly rip you a new 1 in the privacy of your messager and call it a day. I'm not Liberl or conservative. I'm an American and the issues I feel strongly about I will speak and vote for. You want to attack me or others about that then you are the real threat to our democracy because you are splitting us up when we should be coming together. Now grow up, talk to a neighbor with opposite views as you, or read a book. Educate yourself before you speak. It makes you look weak. Dm me and don't quote if you want more of the same. If not, good day sir.

LOL, you’re crazy man. I mentioned something **** some guy at a bar said to me. And you jumped in saying he was right posting a link that said nothing about why the French have so many blacks on their soccer team... But this is my card. I like forced you

The only reason whether or not they are American immigrants matter is because that was what the **** guy at the bar said to me that was so dumb. The rest of this stuff is you throw up a bunch of non-related stuff that I half agree with/half don’t care about/half think you’re making a bunch of assumptions about stuff I never said.

I already explained to you I don’t think the black guys were inferior players. They obviously weren’t. But you’re still running around making some point about how those guys earned their spot. Nobody said they didn’t.

BrooklynDawg

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

@Croatiadawg said:
Croatia has 4 million - almost all home grown Croats (a couple from Croatian families in other European countries) on their team. They do have four former refugees - FROM CROATIA.

France has 16 recent immigrants out of 23 - typical French names like Mbappe, Pogba, Sidibe, Kante, Dembele, Hernandez, Umtiti, Kempembe, Nzonzi, Fekir, let's just say they or recruit, grant visas speed. Of course, Russia had a Fernandes that wasn't a citizen at the time of the last Eurocup.

At the bar I watched part of the game at, I did. Price a bunch of black guys on the French soccer team. I actually made a comment “not many black guys in France, except on the soccer team...”. There was a guy there who is apparently really liberal, and he launches into a story about how a bunch of blacks moved to France after World War 2 from America, because they noticed how the French don’t racialist and treat people poorly etcetera... When he was done everyone listening just nodded their head at the guy and went off doing other stuff... I figured he was making it up. I just looked on Wikipedia. 90% of France is French-born. They estimate that only like 4% of the French population is black...

Now that you point it out, you could tell something was up just watching the game... I remember watching it thinking, “is that what a Frenchmen looks like?” But I didn’t want to say anything after having had to listen to that **** blacks in WW2 story.

Don't know what liberal has to do with it, but the guy wasn't exactly wrong. Thought this might have been false, but I found this.

https://www.npr.org/2013/09/02/218074523/paris-has-been-a-haven-for-african-americans-escaping-racism

I guess the guy was right.

Liberal has to do with it because the left is heavily invested in identity politics and calling as much as they can find racism. If you watch CNN, they’ll actually occasionally talk about how they’ve decided racism has a much broader meaning these days than it used to. Plus, I didn’t get into some of the other political things the guy said that everybody just ignored.

That article gives little in the way of specifics. But what it’s talking about happened a lot with blacks moving to bigger cities to escape racism. It’s a part of why the Mississippi Blues gave way to the Chicago Blues, Like the first migration it talks about is the Louisiana purchase when the US bought that territory from the French. Go figure, a bunch of Frenchmen moving back to France...

A lot of American soldiers have stayed behind after their involvement in foreign wars have ended. That article just assumes the reason soldiers stayed in France was to escape racism. And I’m sure it was a part of it. But especially giving the numbers of recent immigrants on the French soccer team, it doesn’t really explain what was going on with their soccer team.

France has a heavy Samoli refugee population. If their team was heavily influenced by black player's then they must just be that good. As far as the article goes I was just showing you he had merrit to his statement. And as the liberal side of things go, there are republicans that see the same thing and have spoken on it. It's not just a left thing, it is an American thing. We have a lot of problems here to fix and racism is the oldest one. If we fix that and stop treating it like it's a political left or right thing then we can move on with other issues a lot easier. But this is not the forum for that. Back to the regularly scheduled conversations, GO DAWGS!

Nobody said the players weren’t any good... They were on a team that just won a World Cup.

It’s weird to me you don’t understand the ~5% of the French population that’s black doesn’t explain the over-representation of blacks on the French soccer team. But like a lot of people who take the left’s political propaganda too seriously, any time anything about race comes up, you want to blame it on America being racist...

France has so many black men on their soccer team today because America was really racist after World War 2, lol...

Ok since this is where you want to be when Jesus comes back, let's take this ride. Remember that you pulled this card not me. I understand numbers and I understand percentages. Do you understand soccer camps? These guys have been groomed since the ages of 4 to play soccer. Those same kids are put through grueling tests of will against professional players. The cream that rises is just that, the cream. The fact that the white population couldn't surpass the players on this WC team has more to do with them than the players. They were just that good and represented their country, whether they are products of American immigrants means nothing. So save it

Second, race has everything to do with the mindset and nothing to do with liberals or conservative. Conservatives have come to the defense on the minorities just like the Liberals, some more than others. The fact you want to place sides on an inherited problem in this country says more about your character than which side is right. You drank the separation koolaid that this administration has served. Our problems( racism, sexism, classism, and etc) are just that, our problems. Not just one side. And if you dont get it then that's on you to learn.

Lastly, stay with talking about the team. Nobody came to this forum to see us go back and forth over non team issues. If you want to hash this out the DM me. I will gladly rip you a new 1 in the privacy of your messager and call it a day. I'm not Liberl or conservative. I'm an American and the issues I feel strongly about I will speak and vote for. You want to attack me or others about that then you are the real threat to our democracy because you are splitting us up when we should be coming together. Now grow up, talk to a neighbor with opposite views as you, or read a book. Educate yourself before you speak. It makes you look weak. Dm me and don't quote if you want more of the same. If not, good day sir.

LOL, you’re crazy man. I mentioned something **** some guy at a bar said to me. And you jumped in saying he was right posting a link that said nothing about why the French have so many blacks on their soccer team... But this is my card. I like forced you

The only reason whether or not they are American immigrants matter is because that was what the **** guy at the bar said to me that was so dumb. The rest of this stuff is you throw up a bunch of non-related stuff that I half agree with/half don’t care about/half think you’re making a bunch of assumptions about stuff I never said.

I already explained to you I don’t think the black guys were inferior players. They obviously weren’t. But you’re still running around making some point about how those guys earned their spot. Nobody said they didn’t.

Here let me make it easy on your. If you want 5o go further on the subject, DM ME. If not, I'm moving on because you hold no merrit to why the French team won over Coratia. With that said, good night sir.

levander

@BrooklynDawg said:

@levander said:

LOL, you’re crazy man. I mentioned something **** some guy at a bar said to me. And you jumped in saying he was right posting a link that said nothing about why the French have so many blacks on their soccer team... But this is my card. I like forced you

The only reason whether or not they are American immigrants matter is because that was what the **** guy at the bar said to me that was so dumb. The rest of this stuff is you throw up a bunch of non-related stuff that I half agree with/half don’t care about/half think you’re making a bunch of assumptions about stuff I never said.

I already explained to you I don’t think the black guys were inferior players. They obviously weren’t. But you’re still running around making some point about how those guys earned their spot. Nobody said they didn’t.

Here let me make it easy on your. If you want 5o go further on the subject, DM ME. If not, I'm moving on because you hold no merrit to why the French team won over Coratia. With that said, good night sir.

I could care less if we go further or not. It’s just funny watching you try to make something a racism issue... You even managed to throw a veiled Trump reference in there, not calling him a racist, but something about some “separatist” issue or something.. Just weird man.

ugaforever

I like watching the US Women's National Team play. The Men's team is terrible. They are an embarrassment.

pgjackson

@ugaforever said:
I like watching the US Women's National Team play. The Men's team is terrible. They are an embarrassment.

Agreed. It’s embarrassing that a sport-crazy nation of 300,000,000 people can’t field a competitive soccer team capable of beating Trinidad and Tobago and Panama.

pgjackson

France has so many black men on their soccer team today because America was really racist after World War 2, lol...

Trying to understand how someone could suggest that France's soccer success is somehow a result of post-WWII American immigration. Hilarious.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-world-cup-france-croatia-20180714-story.html

"Sixteen of the 23 players on the team come from families that recently immigrated to France from places like Zaire, Cameroon, Morocco, Angola, Congo or Algeria."

France is simply going out and recruiting elite players from other countries and granting them citizenship so they can play on the national team.

donm

@pgjackson said:

France has so many black men on their soccer team today because America was really racist after World War 2, lol...

Trying to understand how someone could suggest that France's soccer success is somehow a result of post-WWII American immigration. Hilarious.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-world-cup-france-croatia-20180714-story.html

"Sixteen of the 23 players on the team come from families that recently immigrated to France from places like Zaire, Cameroon, Morocco, Angola, Congo or Algeria."

France is simply going out and recruiting elite players from other countries and granting them citizenship so they can play on the national team.

Sort of like "merit based" immigration? Hmmm.

Teddy

US has recruited players too. Unfortunately, they're just the leftovers from Germany (when Klinnsman coached). They were dual-citizens who never lived in the US, but had a parent from the US. Several didn't even speak English. Many teams grant players citizenship to get them on their national teams. You can only switch nationalities once though, so that keeps players from floating around too much.

donm

@Teddy said:
US has recruited players too. Unfortunately, they're just the leftovers from Germany (when Klinnsman coached). They were dual-citizens who never lived in the US, but had a parent from the US. Several didn't even speak English. Many teams grant players citizenship to get them on their national teams. You can only switch nationalities once though, so that keeps players from floating around too much.

Can you get an NCAA waiver and transfer more than once?

Teddy

@donm said:

@Teddy said:
US has recruited players too. Unfortunately, they're just the leftovers from Germany (when Klinnsman coached). They were dual-citizens who never lived in the US, but had a parent from the US. Several didn't even speak English. Many teams grant players citizenship to get them on their national teams. You can only switch nationalities once though, so that keeps players from floating around too much.

Can you get an NCAA waiver and transfer more than once?

I think so, but you just have to sit a year out each time.

levander

@BojanglesInsider said:
I've noticed on other sites in my daily internet itinerary, when somebody (Croatian fan) says "Hey! Those don't look like frenchmen LOL" that somebody is met with a barrage of OMGURARACISTKILLURSELF posts. It's nice to see that it's not that bad here.

Yeah, but I probably should have gone easier on @BrooklynDawg. He’s always been a fine contributor in the past and I hope he decides to continue to.

Internet message boards aren’t an exacting communication media. And he read what I said and probably just thought I meant something else. Most likely something he had heard somewhere on the educational Mecca of cable news... But it’s not like I haven’t myself done something like that before. We all have our quirks here and there.