Will The Braves go after Machado ?....should they ?....

BrooklynDawg

@WCDawg said:

@BrooklynDawg said:
Machado is a 1 year rental at most for most teams. He is very good, but would disrupt the flow of the team because of this. He wants to be a Yankee. If the Braves do get him then they have the best chance to make him a permanent fixture on their team.

I believe Machado is in the last year of his contract, he will be a FA after this season.

Yes indeed. He is a 1 yr rental.

WCDawg

@BrooklynDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@BrooklynDawg said:
Machado is a 1 year rental at most for most teams. He is very good, but would disrupt the flow of the team because of this. He wants to be a Yankee. If the Braves do get him then they have the best chance to make him a permanent fixture on their team.

I believe Machado is in the last year of his contract, he will be a FA after this season.

Yes indeed. He is a 1 yr rental.

Less than half a season actually.

WCDawg

@BrooklynDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@BrooklynDawg said:
Machado is a 1 year rental at most for most teams. He is very good, but would disrupt the flow of the team because of this. He wants to be a Yankee. If the Braves do get him then they have the best chance to make him a permanent fixture on their team.

I believe Machado is in the last year of his contract, he will be a FA after this season.

Yes indeed. He is a 1 yr rental.

Less than half a season actually.> @Kirbstomper said:

Yeah I'm all for a good conspiracy theory too man. But it's actually illegal for LM to pull money from the Braves, again per the SEC. They are not allowed to take any money from the team and they are not allowed to give money to the team. The Braves are mainly just an investment to them. From the article I assume you did not read,

• Liberty Media didn't "buy" the Braves, they acquired them in a company "swap" of assets between Liberty and Time Warner.
• This swap was worth $1.8billion. It allowed Time Warner to acquire a very LARGE amount of their own stock, which LM owned. By swapping assets, instead of buying the stock, TW and LM were able to save around $770M in taxes (since there was no capital gains).

Also, yeah with the Battery the revenues went up. But like building that stuff and maintaining it probably cost a little too right? And the Braves are in debt now from building a new park and the Battery, so they need to keep that debt in mind when making decisions. "Revenues being up means good things down the line, but were never going to be an instant fix with the new ballpark. TV deals can and have had that immediate effect, but the Braves have one of the worst TV deals in baseball and its going to stay that way for a while."

"It is also worth mentioning, too, that just because the Braves have more revenue coming in doesn’t mean that all of that money should go to new players. The Braves are going to have a lot of young players that are going to either need extensions or start getting expensive in arbitration. Handing out large long-term deals could easily hamper the team’s ability to keep all of the Acunas and Ozzies and Goharas, especially if a lot of them pan out."

https://www.talkingchop.com/2018/3/6/17081274/atlanta-braves-liberty-media-and-the-risks-of-broken-promises-rebuild

IDK I just don't like seeing ppl blame the ownership for skimming money off the top when there is a gluttony of info saying they are prohibited from doing so. Not really "buying a bill of goods" and more like "knowing about something I follow closely and have read up on".

Sorry, you're wrong on this one.
Liberty did in fact separate most of The Cobb development into a new company and The Braves in fact recieve nothing from those businesses.
It is also a fact Liberty uses it's sports interest to write off paper losses. The Braves took in 114 million more in 2017 than in 2016 yet the showed only 14 million in profit. Even with the many millions Liberty has removed from The Cobb development to their coffers in Denver The Braves had the 8th highest revenue in MBL last season, the is not mid-market, it's near the top.

Bigcalidawg

Keep the roster in tact. Hold your water until Pache, Riley, Toussant, and Allard get here.

Plug in Mike Reed and Camargo to bridge the gap. This team is on an upward trend. Just keep doin what we’ve been doin. The hay is in the barn.

WCDawg

@Bigcalidawg said:
Keep the roster in tact. Hold your water until Pache, Riley, Toussant, and Allard get here.

Plug in Mike Reed and Camargo to bridge the gap. This team is on an upward trend. Just keep doin what we’ve been doin. The hay is in the barn.

I agree for the most part, but signing a couple of relief pitchers is an imperative. It's not just about this year, it's about not damaging arms through overuse.

Bigcalidawg

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
Keep the roster in tact. Hold your water until Pache, Riley, Toussant, and Allard get here.

Plug in Mike Reed and Camargo to bridge the gap. This team is on an upward trend. Just keep doin what we’ve been doin. The hay is in the barn.

I agree for the most part, but signing a couple of relief pitchers is an imperative. It's not just about this year, it's about not damaging arms through overuse.

That’s a good point. I struggle with spending money on relief pitchers, so I’m conveniently overlooking that.

WCDawg

@Bigcalidawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@Bigcalidawg said:
Keep the roster in tact. Hold your water until Pache, Riley, Toussant, and Allard get here.

Plug in Mike Reed and Camargo to bridge the gap. This team is on an upward trend. Just keep doin what we’ve been doin. The hay is in the barn.

I agree for the most part, but signing a couple of relief pitchers is an imperative. It's not just about this year, it's about not damaging arms through overuse.

That’s a good point. I struggle with spending money on relief pitchers, so I’m conveniently overlooking that.

In today's game relief pitchers may be the best bargains. They are playing more and more innings but they are still among the lowest paid players on the market.

PTDawg

I agree they shouldn't grab for Machado. I do think Arenado can be had for a lower price tag, though. The Braves have to decide what they think they are at this point. Are they:

1) a year ahead of schedule and just playing with house money and enjoying the ride this season wherever it takes them, or:

2) do they think they are ready to really contend now and therefore it's worth moving some young pieces to get some established pieces to help them win this season?

I personally think it's more#1. AA can't come out and say that because it doesn't play well in a sound bite but I think believe it's true. Fast forward a couple of months and put this team in a short series against the Brewers/Cubs/Phillies/Dodgers and see what that looks like. I think you're a SP, a decent bat and at least a couple of bullpen pieces away from legitimately saying that you'd expect to win a series against those teams in October. That is the decision that has to be made in the next 2 weeks.

WCDawg

@PTDawg said:
I agree they shouldn't grab for Machado. I do think Arenado can be had for a lower price tag, though. The Braves have to decide what they think they are at this point. Are they:

1) a year ahead of schedule and just playing with house money and enjoying the ride this season wherever it takes them, or:

2) do they think they are ready to really contend now and therefore it's worth moving some young pieces to get some established pieces to help them win this season?

I personally think it's more#1. AA can't come out and say that because it doesn't play well in a sound bite but I think believe it's true. Fast forward a couple of months and put this team in a short series against the Brewers/Cubs/Phillies/Dodgers and see what that looks like. I think you're a SP, a decent bat and at least a couple of bullpen pieces away from legitimately saying that you'd expect to win a series against those teams in October. That is the decision that has to be made in the next 2 weeks.

Arenado's current contract is fairly low and it runs through 2019. As far as cost though, he would command a huge return in players. He is probably every bit as valued as Machado.

BrooklynDawg

@WCDawg said:

@BrooklynDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@BrooklynDawg said:
Machado is a 1 year rental at most for most teams. He is very good, but would disrupt the flow of the team because of this. He wants to be a Yankee. If the Braves do get him then they have the best chance to make him a permanent fixture on their team.

I believe Machado is in the last year of his contract, he will be a FA after this season.

Yes indeed. He is a 1 yr rental.

Less than half a season actually.

True^

Bigcalidawg

Just say no.

PTDawg

Arenado's current contract is fairly low and it runs through 2019. As far as cost though, he would command a huge return in players. He is probably every bit as valued as Machado.

That's a fair point but you do at least get the extra yr of control out of it and maybe that gives the Braves a better chance to re-sign him.

I think at some point you'll see prospects, particularly pitching prospects, moved for established players. The question is is now the time for that? The Braves don't have innings for Soroka, Allard, Gohara, Fried, Anderson, Touki, Wright, Wilson, etc. They've got some tough player evals to do but they have to decide who they want to keep and who is better utilized as trade capital to meet other needs.

WCDawg

@PTDawg said:

Arenado's current contract is fairly low and it runs through 2019. As far as cost though, he would command a huge return in players. He is probably every bit as valued as Machado.

That's a fair point but you do at least get the extra yr of control out of it and maybe that gives the Braves a better chance to re-sign him.

I think at some point you'll see prospects, particularly pitching prospects, moved for established players. The question is is now the time for that? The Braves don't have innings for Soroka, Allard, Gohara, Fried, Anderson, Touki, Wright, Wilson, etc. They've got some tough player evals to do but they have to decide who they want to keep and who is better utilized as trade capital to meet other needs.

I don't think you move pitchers unless they've been eliminated as future starters for Atl.
We've seen yet again how quickly a seemingly deep rotation can get dicey.
I don't think Arenado will be traded and if he is, I don't think The Braves will be serious contenders.
I honestly don't think the team is deep enough to make the post-season this year, even with a star at 3rd.

WCDawg

@PTDawg said:

Arenado's current contract is fairly low and it runs through 2019. As far as cost though, he would command a huge return in players. He is probably every bit as valued as Machado.

That's a fair point but you do at least get the extra yr of control out of it and maybe that gives the Braves a better chance to re-sign him.

I think at some point you'll see prospects, particularly pitching prospects, moved for established players. The question is is now the time for that? The Braves don't have innings for Soroka, Allard, Gohara, Fried, Anderson, Touki, Wright, Wilson, etc. They've got some tough player evals to do but they have to decide who they want to keep and who is better utilized as trade capital to meet other needs.

I'm always wary of Rockies' players offensive stats, but Arenado's home-road splits are pretty close throughout his careerto date, as close as the average across MLB.
If we had a weak position at 3rd and lookedready to make a run at a World Series otherwise, I'd say put some valuable pieces on the table and see what happens. We really don't have a bad position at 3rd though, and we won't sniff a WS this season, and likely not next season either. So why make such a move ?

PTDawg

@WCDawg said:

@PTDawg said:

Arenado's current contract is fairly low and it runs through 2019. As far as cost though, he would command a huge return in players. He is probably every bit as valued as Machado.

That's a fair point but you do at least get the extra yr of control out of it and maybe that gives the Braves a better chance to re-sign him.

I think at some point you'll see prospects, particularly pitching prospects, moved for established players. The question is is now the time for that? The Braves don't have innings for Soroka, Allard, Gohara, Fried, Anderson, Touki, Wright, Wilson, etc. They've got some tough player evals to do but they have to decide who they want to keep and who is better utilized as trade capital to meet other needs.

I'm always wary of Rockies' players offensive stats, but Arenado's home-road splits are pretty close throughout his careerto date, as close as the average across MLB.
If we had a weak position at 3rd and lookedready to make a run at a World Series otherwise, I'd say put some valuable pieces on the table and see what happens. We really don't have a bad position at 3rd though, and we won't sniff a WS this season, and likely not next season either. So why make such a move ?

I wouldn't. I said in my original response that I think this team is a frontline SP, a strong bat and at least a couple of bullpen pieces away from contending in October. I don't think this is the year to chase things, in my opinion. If AA decided he did want to make a big move, however, which he has shown a willingness to in the past, I was saying I'd rather push for Arenado than Machado given the extra year of control and what I think would be somewhat lesser cost.