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Will The Braves go after Machado ?....should they ?....

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  • Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

  • PTDawgPTDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    I'm holding out hope for Bob Horner. Need a little more pop.

  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    I'd look at Lemke first.
    Mr Oct. 2.0.

  • @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    I'd look at Lemke first.
    Mr Oct. 2.0.

    But why scoot Lemke over? Treadway is just riding the bench

  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    I'd look at Lemke first.
    Mr Oct. 2.0.

    But why scoot Lemke over? Treadway is just riding the bench

    You sold me, but Jeff's Georgia connection was the real decider.

  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @PTDawg said:

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    I'm holding out hope for Bob Horner. Need a little more pop.

    Curly Bob was hands down the best drunk hitter The Braves have had since Joe Torre

  • JoelSidneyKellyJoelSidneyKelly ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kasey said:
    Anyone think Jeff Blauser could move over and play third? Or maybe Jeff Treadway?

    Jerry Royster can play anywhere.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    >

    Sorry, you're wrong on this one.
    Liberty did in fact separate most of The Cobb development into a new company and The Braves in fact recieve nothing from those businesses.
    It is also a fact Liberty uses it's sports interest to write off paper losses. The Braves took in 114 million more in 2017 than in 2016 yet the showed only 14 million in profit. Even with the many millions Liberty has removed from The Cobb development to their coffers in Denver The Braves had the 8th highest revenue in MBL last season, the is not mid-market, it's near the top.

    I mean if it is a fact please show any sort of article or something saying this because i would love to be surprised. Otherwise, I'll continue saying this is wrong and the line of thinking is a dead end. In fact, come on over to Talking Chop and inform the public of your 'facts'.

    @PTDawg said:
    I agree they shouldn't grab for Machado. I do think Arenado can be had for a lower price tag, though. The Braves have to decide what they think they are at this point. Are they:

    1) a year ahead of schedule and just playing with house money and enjoying the ride this season wherever it takes them, or:

    2) do they think they are ready to really contend now and therefore it's worth moving some young pieces to get some established pieces to help them win this season?

    I personally think it's more#1. AA can't come out and say that because it doesn't play well in a sound bite but I think believe it's true. Fast forward a couple of months and put this team in a short series against the Brewers/Cubs/Phillies/Dodgers and see what that looks like. I think you're a SP, a decent bat and at least a couple of bullpen pieces away from legitimately saying that you'd expect to win a series against those teams in October. That is the decision that has to be made in the next 2 weeks.

    Yeah this is exactly how I feel as well. They know that this year they aren't likely to make much noise in the post season, and since this year was pretty much written off in March they're playing with house money. But next off season when they have 80+ Million to spend (40M or so committed to 2019 with a 128M payroll this year, per spotrack) and with a pretty good free agent market shaping up they will probably cash in some chips and make a splash.

    @WCDawg said:

    >

    I don't think you move pitchers unless they've been eliminated as future starters for Atl.

    Yeah I also am generally in favor of holding onto the prospects, but the problem with waiting until we know they aren't going to make it as a major leager is that by then they have tanked their value, a la Matt Wisler (who was at one poing a top 50 prospect in the game, and had value similar to Ian Anderson's current value!). If we were to try and make a deal for someone like Arenado, which I'd be in favor of, you're going to have to give up some players who still have a viable shot at being good. You can only have 5 starters in one rotation, and really only need 8-9 guys ready to take a start in the organization, and the depth of pitching prospects we have now pretty much means they are going to HAVE to unload some of them to upgrade certain spots.

    And I mean yeah Camargo is fine. Swanson is fine. Enciarte is fine. Suzuki/Flowers is fine. But none of them are Albies level and certainly not Freeman level. We don't have a spot in the lineup where there is a huge, gaping need, but we also aren't the Yankees or Red Sox. In order to take the next step you kind of have to acquire some high impact players that can net you 4+ WAR. And since Camargo has such good position versatility as well as being a switch hitter he would be a really strong bench piece. That's why most people advocate upgrading 3'rd, because Camargo would be a weapon on the bench and acquiring an Arenado, for example, would be like upgrading two spots with one move.

  • DawgsofWarDawgsofWar ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I think Bravos beats out the Red Sox for Moose for a 3B. Bravos can make a playoff push and with a solid 3B in Moose for a rental, this would give Bravos some more time to develop Riley.

  • WCDawgWCDawg ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Kirbstomper said:

    @WCDawg said:

    >

    Sorry, you're wrong on this one.
    Liberty did in fact separate most of The Cobb development into a new company and The Braves in fact recieve nothing from those businesses.
    It is also a fact Liberty uses it's sports interest to write off paper losses. The Braves took in 114 million more in 2017 than in 2016 yet the showed only 14 million in profit. Even with the many millions Liberty has removed from The Cobb development to their coffers in Denver The Braves had the 8th highest revenue in MBL last season, the is not mid-market, it's near the top.

    I mean if it is a fact please show any sort of article or something saying this because i would love to be surprised. Otherwise, I'll continue saying this is wrong and the line of thinking is a dead end. In fact, come on over to Talking Chop and inform the public of your 'facts'.

    @PTDawg said:
    I agree they shouldn't grab for Machado. I do think Arenado can be had for a lower price tag, though. The Braves have to decide what they think they are at this point. Are they:

    1) a year ahead of schedule and just playing with house money and enjoying the ride this season wherever it takes them, or:

    2) do they think they are ready to really contend now and therefore it's worth moving some young pieces to get some established pieces to help them win this season?

    I personally think it's more#1. AA can't come out and say that because it doesn't play well in a sound bite but I think believe it's true. Fast forward a couple of months and put this team in a short series against the Brewers/Cubs/Phillies/Dodgers and see what that looks like. I think you're a SP, a decent bat and at least a couple of bullpen pieces away from legitimately saying that you'd expect to win a series against those teams in October. That is the decision that has to be made in the next 2 weeks.

    Yeah this is exactly how I feel as well. They know that this year they aren't likely to make much noise in the post season, and since this year was pretty much written off in March they're playing with house money. But next off season when they have 80+ Million to spend (40M or so committed to 2019 with a 128M payroll this year, per spotrack) and with a pretty good free agent market shaping up they will probably cash in some chips and make a splash.

    @WCDawg said:

    >

    I don't think you move pitchers unless they've been eliminated as future starters for Atl.

    Yeah I also am generally in favor of holding onto the prospects, but the problem with waiting until we know they aren't going to make it as a major leager is that by then they have tanked their value, a la Matt Wisler (who was at one poing a top 50 prospect in the game, and had value similar to Ian Anderson's current value!). If we were to try and make a deal for someone like Arenado, which I'd be in favor of, you're going to have to give up some players who still have a viable shot at being good. You can only have 5 starters in one rotation, and really only need 8-9 guys ready to take a start in the organization, and the depth of pitching prospects we have now pretty much means they are going to HAVE to unload some of them to upgrade certain spots.

    And I mean yeah Camargo is fine. Swanson is fine. Enciarte is fine. Suzuki/Flowers is fine. But none of them are Albies level and certainly not Freeman level. We don't have a spot in the lineup where there is a huge, gaping need, but we also aren't the Yankees or Red Sox. In order to take the next step you kind of have to acquire some high impact players that can net you 4+ WAR. And since Camargo has such good position versatility as well as being a switch hitter he would be a really strong bench piece. That's why most people advocate upgrading 3'rd, because Camargo would be a weapon on the bench and acquiring an Arenado, for example, would be like upgrading two spots with one move.

    I talked to Liberty's investor relations officer afterreading about the new company being formed and most of the Cobb development being put under it's banner.
    I don't do links, believe it or don't, it's fact.

  • donmdonm ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @DawgsofWar said:
    I think Bravos beats out the Red Sox for Moose for a 3B. Bravos can make a playoff push and with a solid 3B in Moose for a rental, this would give Bravos some more time to develop Riley.

    I'm not sure Riley will be the "answer". He's hurt a lot and strikes out a lot and folks keep talking about how much his defense has improved. That tells me it wasn't very good. Not sure how much improvement he has made. I like Camargo. He's going to be a .280-.290 hitter and could be a 15-20 HR guy over a full season and there are zero questions about his defense....or his speed or his arm. I think he might be too good to just be a utility infielder. I wonder if he might take Swanson's slot. I'm not sold on him either, at this point. You are right though,,,he'd be a great player off the bench. I'd hate to see that.

  • KirbstomperKirbstomper ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Ok so you say the Braves got a huge revenue increase from the new park and surrounding Battery. But then you say they don't own the Battery?

    "The Atlanta Braves unveiled plans on Wednesday for the $400 million entertainment district that would spring up beside the new $672 million stadium that’s set to open in 2017....The $400 million would be entirely funded by the Braves and a potential development partner, which has not yet been selected." This is from an AJC article published when the concept was started back in 2013, but nothing has changed with the concept. Again, LM is not allowed to take or inject cash into or out of the Braves as it would alter the valuation of their investment, again from the SEC.

    https://www.ajc.com/business/atlanta-braves-plan-400-million-entertainment-district-surrounding-new-cobb-stadium/NTT8avyKLprXWWyZAV6sJN/

    If LM paid for any developments therefore the Braves wouldn't own it, and that revenue wouldn't go into the Braves financial reports.... So are you saying LM is siphoning off money from the Braves?

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