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Greatest basketball player of all time

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  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @donm said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    Curious as to what ways you see them being superior. Not in measurables such as VJ, speed. and those types of things, right?

    What was MJ demonstrably or measurably great at other than basketball ?
    He wasn't a track man, or a football player, he **** as a MINOR LEAGUE baseball player.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • judasdurantjudasdurant Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Lebron

    @WCDawg said:

    @Dawgy_Fresh said:

    @SoFL_Dawg said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

    Butting in here but Mchale is considered a top 5 PF in history of the game by other players. Barkley considers him the best for example.

    I would say Duncan, K. Malone, M. Malone, Mchale, Barkley in that order.

    I think Michael is a top 10 PF but I’d put KG, Dirk, Elgin Baylor and Hayes over Mchale.

    McHale was unguardable in the low post, but he was not a ball handler or shooter.

    Mchale would be unplayable in 2018

  • PlayHurtPlayHurt Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    Larry Bird. Could do it all. Coach on the court, too.

  • ReeldawgReeldawg Posts: 971 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Jordan

    @JRT812 said:
    Pistol

    I am surprised no else mentioned Maravich.

  • dbrown7494dbrown7494 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    Kobe aka Black Mamba!
    Rings and just the killer instinct alone sets him in a class with Jordan but if I’m taking one of the 2 I’m taking Kobe. He would have easily had another ring if it wasn’t for the injuries.

  • JRT812JRT812 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @Reeldawg said:

    @JRT812 said:
    Pistol

    I am surprised no else mentioned Maravich.

    Thank you Reeldawg bro! He never gets mentioned in these types of conversations. Dude was one of the guys who changed the game.

  • BamaDawgBamaDawg Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @BamaDawg said:
    How do youbleave Larry Bird off that list?

    Bird is the #2 PF all time behind only Lebron.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @judasdurant said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @Dawgy_Fresh said:

    @SoFL_Dawg said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @judasdurant said:

    @pgjackson said:
    Here are the guys Jordan played against in the 80s and 90s

    Magic
    Bird
    Barkley
    Hakeem
    Dominique
    I. Thomas
    Malone
    Kareem
    McHale
    Laimbeer
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Kemp
    Mullen
    Mutombo
    Drexler
    Stockton
    Pippen
    Olajuwon

    There is nothing like that the last 10 years in the NBA. The late 80’s to early 90’s were the heyday of the NBA.

    I counter with
    Durant
    Duncan
    Iverson
    Tmac
    AD
    Curry
    Giannis
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Dwight
    Dwade
    Garnett
    Harden
    Westbrook
    Cp3
    Draymond green
    Klay Thompson
    Paul George
    Melo
    Derrick Rose
    Paul pierce
    Jason kid
    Steve Nash
    Dirk

    Gimme the bottom list over the top

    Seriously? Don't even know who half those guys are. The guys I listed from the 80's and 90's practically defined the sport. Those are guys even people who never saw them play know who they are. I didn't even have to list a full name. You know who they are by one name.

    And how tough is the NBA now that kids are coming right out of HS or only one year of college and starting?

    You just came in with a list that included Kevin Mchale and are saying that the NBA players i posted are irrelevant. I didn’t have to put a full name for any of those players, i just did it for a couple. And straight to the pros from high school has been happening since Moses Malone in 1974

    Butting in here but Mchale is considered a top 5 PF in history of the game by other players. Barkley considers him the best for example.

    I would say Duncan, K. Malone, M. Malone, Mchale, Barkley in that order.

    I think Michael is a top 10 PF but I’d put KG, Dirk, Elgin Baylor and Hayes over Mchale.

    McHale was unguardable in the low post, but he was not a ball handler or shooter.

    Mchale would be unplayable in 2018

    He would be unguardable in any era, that will get you playing time.
    While his strengths wouldn't be ideal for the motion offenses like GS runs. Those Celtics teams were the standard for a full court integrated passing and shooting offense.

  • pgjacksonpgjackson Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Prime TIme is often mentioned amongst the greatest CB's, I think. Bo's career was too short for him to be elevated to legend status. He is, though, one of the best all around athletes ever, in my experience.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 17,293 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    Other

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
    Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.

  • Mickey_HandMickey_Hand Posts: 871 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Meadowlark Lemon ;):D

  • donmdonm Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @WCDawg said:

    @pgjackson said:

    @PeachCoDawg said:
    If you really understand basketball, and take everything in to account and are old enough to at least be comparing 80s-now changes in personnel, rules changes, etc I don't even see how this could be an argument. Jordan. All day, all night.

    And not just in basketball. He might be the most dominant pro athlete of all time. Gretzky is right up there as was Montana and Brady is now. I’d put LeBron in this group, but Jordan is at the top.

    Jordan was great in basketball, he was never even a top amature in any other sport. Otto Graham was great at the highest level in multiple sports. I could list MANY athletes who were superior overall to MJ.

    I'm talking pro sports. Please don't start listing Michael Phelps or wrestler Alexander Karelin or some other Olympian with tons of gold medals. I'm talking major pro sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis, hockey, golf...) Nobody dominated their sport the way MJ dominated the NBA.

    Jordan was really a one sport athlete compared to the truly versatile greats like Graham, Bo and Deon Sanders.

    You like to argue. I didn’t say he was the greatest multi-sport athlete. I said he dominated his professional sport unlike anyone else. Nobody has ever said “Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders was the greatest football player ever”. They were great multi-sport athletes, but they are on nobody’s All-Time Greatest list for baseball or football.

    Whether you're one of them or not I won't bother checking, but the claim has been made that Jordan is basically superior at other sports than basketball, he is not and never was.
    Sanders, Otto Graham, Elway, Ainge and MANY others were better at second sports than MJ was.

    Hard to argue with that. Uncle Charlie/slider proved to be MJ's downfall in baseball.

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