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Georgia football: The big recruiting question from the 27-point loss to LSU



  • SWP04SWP04 Posts: 14 ✭ Freshman

    blah, blah, blah, blah, blah . . . . excuses, excuses, excuses.

    LSU was probably in a worse position than us 4 years ago and look at where they are now. We've recruited great players and had better recruiting classes than LSU over that time. Is looks to me like there's no development on offense. Get rid of Coley and get somebody who has new "spread" ideas but still respects the use of a pro style offense (oh wait, that's what LSU did).

    How many times did you hear - lets used the TE more, get playmakers out in space more, Use Cook more? What part of the word "more" do they not understand because I don't see that it really ever changed much.

    I'm tired of excuses - this is the same ol' UGA that we had under Richt. Can't win the big games!

    Change it , make it better, coach em' up and get it done! Don't want to hear any more talk. Just do it!

  • RxDawgRxDawg Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Here it is folks. Laid all out with facts. This is the reason we had a very good season, and not a great one. Honestly... we might of overachieved as a whole on the year. We just took way to much attrition all at one time in this one spot. So chin up Dawgs, the sky ain't falling. Kirby knows the issue. Time to go get some dudes.

  • diesel_7diesel_7 Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Good info. For some reason WR has been Georgia's achilles heel, just as QB has been LSU's for years. Hopefully Georgia can find a way to get over the WR hump as LSU did at QB.

    PS - Yes, Burrow was there last year but didn't blossom until this year. Credit him, the OC, or both, but they finally got it all together. Hopefully Georgia can do the same one day.

  • joelljoell Posts: 21 ✭ Freshman

    Agree completely with zonadawg61 post. I like Fromm but he may have reached his ceiling. Compare his ability to extend plays with his feet to Burrows, Lawrence, Hurts & that guy at Ohio State. I watched a rerun of the LSU game. The first interception could have possibly been a TD had Fromm led the receiver correctly & it certainly would not have been a pick. On the 2nd pick the ball did not have enough mustard on it.

    Can Fromm actually throw a football fifty yards? And the ball velocity seems sooo slow. The receivers have issues and so does Jake Fromm

  • diesel_7diesel_7 Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Not trashing Fromm, but let's don't blame it ALL on the WR's. Fromm was off on a LOT of his throws...either behind, over or low. He's got some soul searching (and practice) to do this off-season.

  • diesel_7diesel_7 Posts: 79 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Burrow's balls were on target, Fromm's weren't. You don't have to like it... I don't care, but it's the truth.

  • ftworthdawgftworthdawg Posts: 326 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Thanks Jeff, our chickens came home to roost this season. We've under recruited, and under developed our WR corp for too long and this season we paid for those mistakes. yes, the early departures of Nauta, Hardman, etc hurt, but the death blow was the dismissal of JJ. A program like ours should never be so thin at any position like we are at WR.

  • GBALGBAL Posts: 491 ✭✭✭ Junior
  • GoodLifeGoodLife Posts: 85 ✭✭ Sophomore

    When I watched the SECCG, it appeared, on several occasions, the LSU receivers were WIDE open due to scheme. There were crossing patterns, slants, etc, were their receiver wasn't even covered. They mixed it up too by including the TEs.

    I completely understand that we took a loss at the receiver position this year, but NO roster is perfect. The article would suggest that we need 5 star players at every position 2-3 deep. Nobody team has that - not even Alabama with all their consecutive #1 classes.

    Having said this, the injuries we sustained during the game were very impactful, and the lack of depth at the receiver position exposed us against LSU. But it should not have exposed us most of the season. We need to do better making adjustments to our game plan(s), strategies, and that falls on the coaches. Fromm too, for whatever reason, seems to have lost some of his accuracy compared to previous years.

    The sky is not falling however, as some folk might think. Kirby's still a young coach and he is still learning. My confidence in him has not wavered.

  • ShoottheHoochShoottheHooch Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    You mean like the ball Fromm threw in the SC game that hit Simmons in the hands that turned into an interception that could have very well cost the Dawgs an undefeated season. Or, in the same game, the throw that was thrown to the correct spot but the receiver ran the wrong route and turned into an interception. Fromm wasn't perfect nor was Burrow. We'll get to see next year if a year's experience and physical deevelopment of Pickens and Dom if he's healthy makes a difference in Fromm. There are two years of experience when Fromm was one of the most accurate passers in college football that indicate an emphatic "YES"!

  • ReddenBlaqueReddenBlaque Posts: 18 ✭ Freshman

    You can bring in three five stars at WR, it does no good if you have a one dimensional QB who is physically limited as a thrower. Three years of watching Fromm miss wide open downfield receivers. Even when he hits those plays the receiver has had to slow down or even come to a complete stop to wait on Fromm's pass to get to him.

    Fromm has a lot of intangibles that make for a great QB but he doesn't have the physical abilities. He originally committed to Alabama. If he had kept that commitment, he would still be the backup. That's what he is. A good, emergency backup QB who did a good job of being a good, emergency backup QB while getting out of the way of two all time great RBs and a defense that regularly set him up with great field position.

    In the second half of last year's SECCG Alabama created the book that teams now use on him. Make him throw into tight windows. Make him beat you over the top. He can't do it and therefore teams aren't made to pay for stacking the box against the run.

    Maybe a spread oriented offense would suit him better. Tim Tebow didn't have the greatest arm in the world either but Florida was able to have a lethal passing game with him at QB. But Tebow had the threat of running to counteract a lot of defenses. That's not a part of Fromm's game, although he is actually a good runner when he needs to be, so maybe that wouldn't work either.

  • DoggoneDoggone Posts: 13 ✭ Freshman
    edited December 2019

    For some reason the pattern, whether it is the result of a breakdown at WR, QB, OL, RB or coaching, the Dawgs have not shown that they can "execute," finish the drill in the big games. They've been able to jump out ahead or stay close but for some reason when the second half comes around it has been a fizzle. Have not been able to solve that riddle. Maybe one day someone will.

  • MobileDawgMobileDawg Posts: 107 ✭✭✭ Junior

    Hooch, you picked two examples from the same game. I don't want to throw Fromm under the bus, I would just like some real reporting on the problems we had.

    Jake wasn't helped by his receivers but I would wager he missed as many throws as the receivers had drops or missed routes. I would like to see these DawgNation reporters be a little more inquisitive about Fromm's struggles this year. If it's inadequate coaching which I believe it was to some degree then I would like to see Smart make some tweaks, and maybe he will yet. We had a previous coach who didn't have the backbone to make coaching changes when they were necessary, let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.

    The responsibility for the play of the position group lie at the feet of the position coach and the coordinator. I have heard ZERO accountability on the subject DawgNation reporters.

  • BibbCountyDawgBibbCountyDawg Posts: 3 ✭ Freshman

    Joe Burrows was all-world, Jake Fromm was anything but. It's as simple as that. Give Joe B the same receivers Jake Fromm has and the results would be the same. No, the WR corps is not great at UGA, but neither are the LSU receiving corps as a whole. No, the WR corps is not the problem, Jake Fromm is the problem. Joe Burrow made his group of receivers look better than they are. That's what a great QB does. A great QB makes the players around him better. Jake Fromm cannot elevate the players around him. It's as simple as that.

  • UGADAWG4LifeUGADAWG4Life Posts: 273 ✭✭✭ Junior

    TE and WR are areas we must improve in ! We need a upgrade in OC a proven OC that has called plays in the SEC ! Coley has to be demoted but kept around. He is a great recruiter. I wish we could of got Mike Bobo !

  • UGADAWG4LifeUGADAWG4Life Posts: 273 ✭✭✭ Junior

    The difference in Joe Burrow a year ago to now is that Offensive scheme ! He improved because LSU finally went to the SPREAD and installed RPOs

  • osmosiphobeosmosiphobe Posts: 31 ✭ Freshman

    Sorry, y'all. I skipped everything. Normally, I read the whole article, jump down to the bottom of the comments, and work up from there. This happened, though, and I just needed answers.

    "Robertson made all 26 of his career catches at Georgia this season. His four catches for 52 yards was second on the team in both categories against LSU."

    Robertson made 26 catches this season.

    Robertson made 4 catches for 52 yards.

    Were these 4 catches part of the 52? They have to be, right? Otherwise, why are we talking about Robertson? How did they fit in, though? Why are we focusing on those 4 in the middle of the other 22? It's weird.

    Don't even know how to conclude this, except to say that I'm jumping back up now, to read the rest of the article.

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