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National Anthem etiquette....
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In the interest of educating good etiquette on National Anthems I would like to know the correct way to show respect when the opposition Anthem is playing? In my experience this is a far greater problem when attending international events.
The Oath of Allegiance reminds me to say that the Pledge of Allegiance should be changed. Currently states that one is pledging allegiance to (the flag) "and to the republic for which it stands...." The problem (main) is a republic can be anything, witness the People's Republic of China or Korea, etc. Instead, suggest that the pledge be "... to the Constitution of the United States, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible...." Leave off "to the flag" which always struck me as dumb and indirect.
The Constitution is the main thing, only thing. It is required in every oath that is administered. That is what a citizen should pledge allegiance to.
People would face the flag, hand over heart, and say the revised pledge. No mention of "the flag". At the time the pledge was proposed, graphics were rare. Today, everyone is bombarded with graphics. The gesture of facing the flag conveys all that is necessary.
Oh, yeah. I see no reason for school kids to recite the pledge every single day. Every week is plenty after the 4th grade, plus assemblies. Carry on.
As a Lennonist (John) I think also that the pledge of Allegiance should not be religion dependent. One can fiercely defend the USA without believing in God. Freedom of religion means you should be able to believe in anything including nothing not just that Christians can be free to express their beliefs wherever and whenever they please. Listen to the words of Imagine and think what the world could be if all people are really treated the same regardless of their differences.
Stand and do what everyone else does lol
This thread went about how I expected it to go prior to clicking... actually a little more civil.
My stance...
I’ll request all people do “the respectful thing” when the country does “the respectful thing” for all of its citizens I N C L U D I N G the soldiers who have to beg for an ounce of support upon returning for war.
I agree with you. The "under God" was added as a Cold War "godless communists" reaction in the 1950s. I didn't propose it be eliminated 'cause to me there are bigger battles. The "indivisible" is a reaction to the War between the States. It doesn't serve a purpose, either, if Constitution replaces republic.
I kind of veered off and was referring to NFL players kneeling. When they try to make themselves the story over 10s of thousands of people honoring the flag & just wanting to watch a game then yes, that's a spectacle. Just my humble opinion
I love it. Most people won't get that.
In reality the biggest issue is why is the National Anthem played at sporting events where both teams are American. It should be reserved for International events and both Anthems should be respected by both fan bases.
True, the flag becomes something of a proxy that borders idol status in what (can) easily become an empty, mechanical gesture of patriotism just because of how we seem to repetitiously require it. Using the constitution would be way more efficient...BUT, here's the rub when using the constitution as the direct symbol in the anthem: the growing tendency to interpret it subjectively based on political situations and political outcomes. So we're still at square one, an empty mechanical gesture of patriotism.
This is not really in response to the original post, but rather some of the other posts that followed. I am hesitant to weigh in here, but the flag is not nearly as it important as what it represents, that being the republic established by the Constitution, and more importantly, the ideas upon which that republic was founded.
The right to live with liberty and to pursue happiness regardless of one’s race, color, or creed... that is what our military has fought and died for, for the better part of three centuries.
The sacrifices that have been and will be made in the defense of that freedom are certainly worthy of the utmost respect, but I will never take issue with my fellow Americans who choose to peacefully protest against perceived injustice, racial or otherwise. On the contrary, protesting in the name of equal justice under the law is patriotic, however one chooses to do it.
Go Dawgs!
Well, one isn't at the point of interpretation when making the pledge. One can have any belief about its content as long as one says its name. I mean the flag could be cotton or nylon or some wonder fabric, but it is still the flag if it has the requisite colors, shape, a blue field, so many stripes, etc.
Now as to mechanical gesture, i see your point. Perhaps if fluid movement were added to the pledge, humanity is expressed. The Nation is emphasized! Splendid. People move in a specified way as they recite the pledge. Great idea!
Usually it is simply standing with hands behind you're back and being respectful.
So if I exercised one of my "taken for granted" freedoms to disrespect the flag I ought to be pummeled?
Which is how I behave when the US anthem is played (I'm British) although I hold my left wrist with my right hand in front of me. The key is standing in silence.
Excellent! I appreciate your respect of our anthem.
Perhaps we can trust our people to be good citizens without requiring them to recite a loyalty oath. The mandatory displays of patriotism in this country are kind of bizarre.
You have the right to disrespect our flag, but you also have the right to be pummeled for disrespecting our flag. 'Merica, frick yea!!
I suppose freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences 😅
Absolutely correct. You have a right to say and do things...and other people have a right to react and respond.