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My biggest fear is people will die unnecessarily from lack of medical equipment. Blows my mind Florida waited so long to close down beaches, restaurants, and clubs.
The only drawback with chloroquine is the horrendous itching it causes in dark skinned individuals. It is dirt cheap though. My lab bought several bottles of it a while back for almost nothing.
It’s FL man...people here are more care free than any place I’ve been in the country excluding San Diego.
Im not wishing this when I type it, but there are 40 deaths in the state of Washington currently. It’ll be at least 5 times that by Sept in FL.
I was at a local hospital yesterday to finalize biz before our own dead period...I was no longer allowed to use an employee entrance, I had to go through security, a step thats necessary. In the main lobby, there was a section fielding sick individuals awaiting escort. Everyone was provided a mask but there were at least 40 people over the symptomatic. Most were old, and coughing and scared. Not all have COVID-19 I’m sure, but sobering moment like walking through a cancer center.
I legit took off my scrubs in my garage last night, I’ve never done that before and I’ve been in open surgery with a HIV patient for observation. When you don’t know what you don’t know, you take extra precaution.
Those are probably likely statistics, which are much lower than a typical seasonal flu (the 2017 flu season killed 60,000 Americans...does anyone remember that? I don't, it wasn't a big deal) and less than the 2009 Swine flu. And like you said most just get very mild symptoms (if any at all), which means there likely wont be a shortage of hospital beds or medical supplies because most people will just stay home and rest.
Nobody is being dismissive, but the actions we are taking seem to be out of line compared to other illnesses we have dealt with and is simply not sustainable economically. If this situation is forced on us for several months I could see the suicide rate greatly outpacing the corona deaths. There are going to be several million Americans out of work long term in the restaurant, bar, entertainment, and tourism industries with zero chance of finding new employment. I know a few very successful restaurant owners in the Pensacola area and they are all wondering if they are going to survive as a business. I'm sure we have several members on this forum in the same boat. The economic and social forecast is more terrifying than the actual virus.
Was that a concern during the 2017 flu season that infected 64 million Americans and killed over 60,000?
Familiarity or lack thereof drives behavior. No one fears the flu because it’s a familiar name. It’s not front page news when the flu claims a life as it claims 50K annually. We’re desensitized from the flu. COVID-19 is not so familiar and we’re relying on other country’s case studies which may not be transparent. They could be under reporting mortality rates.
Yes, this is garnering more attention because it’s novel. But would you rather be the US or Italy right now? When this bug begins to touch folks in a personal way, it’ll finally resonate.
Exactly. I agree. It's the fear of the unknown. But so was the Swine Flu and nobody shut down businesses and declared national emergencies. Early on the experts were predicting apocalyptic results, which really got everyone panicked, and started the whole global snowball of quarantine, social distancing, and business shutdown out of an "abundance of caution". It's at the point where people call you irresponsible if you don't follow suit. It's peer pressure, even at the global political level.
Yes, a certain % of humans will catch Corona and die. That is sad, but it's a reality of life on Earth. There are far more dangerous things we live with every single day. We can't shut the world down every time a new threat pops up.
Trying to upbeat about COVID-19. Two pieces of news I read in the last 24 hours. While in self distancing mode at 77. Part 1
First and most important.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/
Encouraging news: a new medical study shows a commonly available anti-malaria drug known as chloroquine aka chloroquine phosphate is showing strong results against COVID-19 infections in both China and South Korea. Excerpts from three studies, including one published in Nature are below.
An Effective Treatment for Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Presented by: James M. Todaro, MD and Gregory J. Rigano, Esq.
In consultation with Stanford University School of Medicine, UAB School of Medicine and National Academy of Sciences researchers.
SPANISH: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR1adodKPhWalV9djnerI2x_v1LGgGyhZZxpl0O5r-ZNyDdagqFq1rTCxXBqaeicfxgvypDOqKCZVyV/pub
Translation by: Celia Martínez-Aceves (Yale B.S. Candidate 2021), Martín Martínez (MIT B.S. 2017)
The UK has banned the export of Chloroquine[13]
As of February 26, 2020, the UK government has added chloroquine to the list of medicines that cannot be parallel exported from the UK. Chloroquine was never on this list before. This likely happened because of the growing body of evidence of chloroquine’s effectiveness against coronavirus.
China prioritizes internal use of Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs) including Chloroquine[14]
In early February, Chongqing Kangle Pharmaceutical was requested by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, Consumption Division to promptly increase the manufacturing and production of the active pharmaceutical ingredients chloroquine phosphate despite slowed production during the Chinese New Year.
A commonly available over-the-counter quinine source exists in Margosa Tree Bark and Cinchona succirubra, Peruvian Bark
Tablets of bark extract are widely available in tablet form, from many sources, including Amazon.com here.
https://www.amazon.com/Capsules-Cinchona-succirubra-Peruvian-Supplement/dp/B07SGZWZDZ/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=quinine&tag=wattsupwithth-20&qid=1584450567&sr=8-10
There’s also quinine in Tonic Water, which is available just about anywhere at any grocery or liquor store and also at Amazon:
Tonic water is a soft drink containing quinine, which gives it a bitter taste. Quinine is a common treatment for malaria. Quinine comes from the bark of the cinchona tree. Part 1
This is just my opinion but I get the flu shot every year so I don't worry about getting the flu or passing it on to someone else. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't follow the experts advice and transmitted corona to someone and they died. So, if they tell me to self distance I will self distance. I'm set for 2 weeks but beyond that I'm going to have to figure out when the best time to get to an open store to get what I need or just order it and have it delivered. I'm already doing that with my dog and cat food. I'll probably order from walmart and just pick it up in the parking lot to avoid being around a lot of people. I'm not worried about catching the virus as I'm healthy and not quite old yet but I can't pass it on to someone else. That's what scares me more than anything.
Part 2
This is more of a hope. Georgia is below the 35th parallel. All of Europe is above the 35th parallel. On the other hand Wuhan is about the same latatude as Savannah, GA.
High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID
Good luck fellow Dawgs.
Those are legitimate concerns, but the flu shot isn't 100%. About 40-60% of people who get the annual shot get the flu. So, who knows...in years past you may have spread the flu unintentionally. We can't stop the world because of something that might happen. The social/economic impact of doing so would likely be far worse than the virus itself. So far this virus seems to effect one very specific demographic (unlike the seasonal flu that hits everyone hard). Take reasonable precautions, but we simply can't have everyone on earth quarantined and afraid to go outside.
I think both groups are right here. It's smart to quarantine and shut things down since we don't truly know the extent of the impact this virus could have. That said, it's just not sustainable to force everyone to shut down for more than a week or two. A few of my friends own restaurants and bars and the bills aren't going to stop just because everything else does.
Same goes for any small business owner. And people working for big corporations won't have much more security either. If money isn't coming in a lot of people will start to get laid off. Hopefully things can go back to normal by the end of the month. So many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and a lot of people are going to be ruined financially if this lasts much longer.
I agree. There is a direct correlation between a spike in suicide and economic downturns. When all this started, the talk was about shutting down for a couple of days...then it was a couple of weeks...now they are talking about a couple of months. It can't last that long. There will be a point where we might have to just get everyone back to work and life back to normal and let this virus run it's course and take our chances.
My problem with this statement though is, is 200 people dying worth crippling the economy? Truly think about that. 200 people vs 100s of millions not going to school or being able to pay bills.
Yes