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Good for you for presenting both sides of something Kasey
Appreciate the "equal time" doctrine at work with you sharing the rebuttal from the UW bio professor (seriously)...but the response to the author "You didn't take the article apart, you just attacked the author." was my general takeaway after reading that thread, too.
To be clear - I work with a lot of brilliant scientists and have a full appreciation for the importance of scientific method and the danger of misrepresenting data to support a desired outcome...but nobody likes to cr ap on people without an advanced degree like an academic (!).
For me - the author starts with "I'm not an epidemiologist", and just because every one of his 20+ points aren't vetted in proven data/history the way a scientist would approach doesn't mean the concepts or predictions are not plausible or even likely to be confirmed. The prof even betrays his bias referring to how "right wing outlets might interpret".
Thanks again for sharing the info - I don't think it was political at all to do so...and sharing info to help us all educate ourselves will either help alleviate some of the anxiety we all have during this period or better prepare us for additional steps we may want to consider personally or as a society. Both are equally important IMO.
Everyone stay well and hopefully you can all get outside and enjoy some fresh air! Go Dawgs!
Great comment. Totally agree.
I found this on TOS and had a scared straight moment.
Kudos to those fighting on the front lines of a lot of uncertainty. You folks are showing the bravery of the firemen who entered the WTC on 9/11.
@Kasey the blog you linked was interesting. It definitely supports what the doctors I know have theorized would be the ultimate statistical outcome. One of those physicians does not think very much of epidemiologists, explaining they struggle to understand the effect of the medical community over time to alter the course.
The harsh measures haven’t been in place domestically for any where near long enough to influence any numbers.
Sounds like a cytokine storm. Crazy strong immune response leads to too much inflammation causing fluid build up in the lungs. It can happen really fast. If the flu gets bad, it kills the lung tissue from making so many copies of itself the cells get overwhelmed.
Sorry. I actually dis tryto find another news source to link instead of this one, but it’s hard to find anything positive on any of the others
@DvilleDawg. Scared was kind of the point of that article. It recklessly talks about “patients in their 40s” as if they are the norm and not the outliers. The sample size of patients in their 40’s with Covid that particular respiratory specialist has seen is tiny. What (I think) is important to remember about the people they reference with “no underlying medical conditions” is that they don’t actually know that to be an accurate assumption. Inflammation might be the single biggest killer among humans because of the domino effect it has on the body, but it is a condition that remains largely invisible, and to which many are susceptible and suffering.
If the (very limited) drug study out of France stands up, then hopefully this will be over soon. Keep the positive thoughts flowing!!!!.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0 This is a link to the HCQ and CQ study that has people hopeful. CQ is already good at treating inflammation from cytokine storms, so it would be great if it also reduced viral spread. The idea is that CQ changes the pH in the compartment the virus uses to enter the cell. Changing the pH makes it harder for the virus to inject its genome into the cellular environment to make more copies of itself. There is good reason to move this to people, but viruses tend to behave differently in cell cultures compared to people. We also have to be cautious that we aren't just selecting for a virus with a mutation that makes it resistant to CQ. This is why using multiple antivirals with different effects is important, and I'm cautiously optimistic CQ plus another class of drugs known as nucleotide analogs could really help people with COVID-19. The other drug is just an antibiotic to treat pneumonia as a result of a secondary infection.
I'm doing my part. Working from home. I actually started stocking up on canned goods and dried beans a couple of weeks before it hit the fan. Too bad I didn't buy toilet paper. What bothers me is there are still too many people that aren't taking this seriously. No one should drown in their own body fluids because somebody didn't care enough to listen to the experts.
There has always been a "if it bleeds, it leads" thing in the news world. It's not new nor is it a right or left thing It's just that they're there to get viewers/clicks because it is a business and that's what people gravitate to. I think it's important to always, but especially now, read things with a very critical mindset.
I gave up on mainstream media about 3 years ago. This was from somebody that works with these patients every day. I pay attention to the people on the front lines over anybody.
Harvey Weinstein has COVID-19.
Destindawg, you lost me with the whole "USA is on the same trajectory as Italy" thing. Thanks to CaliforniaDawg, the graph indicates 15 days out we're at around 200 fatalities, Italy around 850. I guess charts and graphs were never your thing.
Or is there something in the water down there?
Please don't. Let's keep it calm guys. We're all in this together
Anytime someone says we are comparable to Italy I tune them out. it's an absurd comparison. Italy is a dumpster fire. Italy and Spain are extreme outliers in Europe.
Oh... oh no?
I'm going to try to keep up with my daughter during "Homeschool PE" class tomorrow... last week nearly did me in.
Sat morn .... got up early and reading about the virus .... came across the French data where they treated Covid 19 patients with several drugs that had significant positive outcomes ... one was the malaria drug hydroxy chloroquine.... said was also prescribed to Rh Arthritis patients ....of which my wife is one ..so when she got up I asked her if she had ever taken Plaquenil ( hydroxy chloroquine) ....she yes ever day for Rh .... well she is well on her way to being ahead of any potential infection ....reassuring. The best response in the French study was Plaquenil + Z Pak. ..... for 5 days
That's right. We are not nearly as bad off as Italy, especially when you take into account the population size of Italy vs the US. If I had to rank countries right now, I'd say Italy, Spain and Iran are in a clear category of awful by themselves. Then I'd say there is a category of countries that we can't really evaluate yet or are in the middle including the US, UK, China. Then, the two countries that by far seem to be doing the best are South Korea and Iceland. But, this analysis is in the moment and just like the halftime score, things can change by the end of the game.