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I can pm you if this is getting too off topic but yeah absolutely redistribute some funding from police to social services. The rise in police budgets in the past 30-40 years has little to do with making people safer and everything to do with the revenue streams associated with petty drug convictions, both for the police department itself and the city. Redefine the police as someone as someone in your community you trust to help protect you from harm rather than some faceless entity that’s going to stop and frisk and harass you and thousands of others so they can keep getting that federal drug money.
Well there also been a drastic decrease in crime rates over the last 30-40 years so maybe the increased policing does work. I do believe police training needs to be reformed and police must maintain certain fitness levels, but less police is not the answer. Just look at south side Chicago and St. Louis where the police have pulled back. Also, shootings have increased across the country since the calls of defund the police have started.
Good points but violent crime rates decreased during that time frame in every country that banned leaded gasoline. We have 5% of the world’s population and 25% of the world’s prison population. I don’t believe Americans are 5 times more likely to be violent criminals and I think that since budgets are zero sum then maybe having a school counselor or therapist when the potential criminal is 10 could be a lot more valuable than a police officer when they’re 20
I think much of that is fair as well. I would imagine that our increased prison population has more to do with our longer sentencing than most countries. Also hard to compare on a global stance as there are still large portions of the world where the rule of law is not that strong so it’s not exactly comparing apples to apples. We do have a larger prison population than Europe which is a more equal comparison. I totally agree with investing time and money into kids when they are younger and think the police should do infinitely more community outreach programs to foster a relationship on both sides
I do not think taking funding for police and social services needs to be mutually exclusive. I am also not on board with letting "petty" crimes go unpunished. The penalty should match the crime (which the judge decides), but if someone breaks a law their should be a consequence. If you don't like the law, blame the lawmakers and not the police. My opinion is that the solution to the problem of policy brutality and harassment of POC is to invest more to help the police force combat these things and then create accountability to ensure that funding is being used for that purpose and that they are seeing results. Bad cops should be punished, but taking funding away from them will only make the problem worse. More should be invested in the police. Their are racists whites, blacks, and cops, but it doesn't mean all whites blacks or cops are racist. Im white and I have been harassed by the police one more than one occasion - because some of them are powertripping bullies. But that doesn't make me think all cops are bad (nor do I think all cops are good). But I do think having a police force is good and essential to protect the innocent in our society, and handcuffing them and turning our backs on them is not going to improve anything.
Would you prefer a legal system like China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan or other large population nations? Of the Top 10 most populous nations, the US is the ONLY 1st World nation (Russia is debatable). Add Brazil, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia and Mexico to the top 10 list. How do all those countries handle crime? I have a feeling we are headed in that direction. Yes, we have people in prison because we are a nation of laws...unlike most other countries with populations over 100,000,000.
You know what else that do better in Europe? Enforce borders. They don't have Untold numbers of people flooding across wide open borders over there. You better not get caught without your passport traveling around Europe. People want to compare the US to Europe need to look at all the factors.
You have provided a reasonable argument that I still disagree with but we can agree to disagree.
The American privatization of our prison systems is the modern form of slavery. It’s intent is to fill its walls with free laborers. The targets are non violent offenders, who simply can’t afford to defend themselves, exclusively for the purposes of doing laborious work around the country. Most often, African American & Latin communities are the target, but low income Caucasian communities are also targeted.
Both public defenders here but I don’t think the punishment fit the crime. Do you? If you have Netflix, check out the 13th. Eye opening for those seeking clarity on how we got here today.