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@Kasey and he would have done a lot worse if he had to play in the SEC West. So frankly I don’t get your point. You play the teams in your conference, win your conference championship and hopefully go to the CFP. It should be noted when Kirby did win the SEC, he did make the CFP.
How well would Riley and Day do in the SEC West then?
Great show, Mike. You always do great, insightful interviews and analysis. Keep them coming.
@Kasey they don’t play in the SEC East or West. Within their own conferences they do very well, in fact much better than Kirby has done.Maybe the right answer would be for Kirby to go to the big10.
Kudos to your deflection. It really is on another level.
Put Ryan Day at a school where urban didn’t leave him a cupboard full of top 5 recruiting classes and let’s see how he does.
Put Lincoln Riley at LSU ot aTm and let’s see how well he does against Saban and the rest.
Kirby isn’t perfect, but he’s better than most. Switch him with your two preferred choices and I’m guessing his record would be about the same.
@Kasey the original question was who had done as well as Kirby. Based on results it would be Riley and Day. It appears you do not give a lot of credit for winning your conference. It would also seem you don’t give a lot of credit for making it to the CFP.
As to changing conferences, Kirby would have some success in the big10. Because of his offensive philosophy he would not fair as well in the Big12.
Well I would say Kirby has accomplished more. Kirby had to build a program. Ryan Day was given one. So was Lincoln Riley. Both are following championship, hall of fame type coaches. Kirby is not.
@Kasey we will have to agree to disagree it would appear. UGA was a very good program under Ritch. The problem for fans was it did not meet their expectations. This was mainly due to Myers and UF and Saban and UA. Ritch recruited well and Kirby inherited talent. In fact the core of his CFP team were players Ritch brought to Athens. Kirby has been given almost unlimited resources. He has the biggest recruiting budget in college football. I am unaware that salary has been an issue when it came hiring the coaching staff he wanted. He has a new indoor practice facility as well as a new football facility. Yet with all of these investments, he is more comparable to his predecessor than he is to Riley and Day. Then again you very well could be correct, he has recruited well and has managed to be ranked in the season ending top 10 on a yearly basis.
Top 5. More often than not top 3. Kirby has recruited much better than Richt. Our depth is better than it’s ever been. Yes he used Richt players, but it was a Smart QB that helped get them to thr NCG. Eason couldn’t have done that.
Riley and Day had just as many good players given to them. I don’t understand your insistence on giving them credit while discrediting what Kirby has done in a tougher conference.
@Kasey I hope you are not saying Kirby is doing less with more because it sure sounds like it.
I'm not satisfied with entitled members of the fanbase thinking the grass is greener when our grass is plenty green. it's all about perspective bud and you seemingly lack it.
@Kasey seems there might be a difference in understanding the question that was originally asked. My answer was based on what has been accomplished - conference championships and appearances in the CFP. Now if you want to address this from obstacles and potential, then our positions are probably not too far different. Neither OU nor OSU have to contend with a LSU or a Alabama to either win their championship or get to the CFP. The SEC is fortunate to have as many really good teams as it does. Potentially Kirby can be as good or even better than Riley and Day, he just has to strengthen his weaknesses which I think he can. What has muddled the future more than people currently realize is NIL. This going to be a huge challenge not only for the coaching staffs and conferences but all of college football.
I understood your question perfectly. but it's not a fair comparison because Kirby doesn't coach a team in the B12 or the B10. Those conferences are inherently weaker and much easier to win in. You seem to penalize Kirby for not winning his while discounting the degree of difficulty or playing in the SEC.
@Kasey it was not my question. The question was name a first time HC who has accomplished more over the last five years. I named two. Those two coaches have won their conferences and been selected to the CFP. They really cannot impact how weak their conferences are compared to the SEC anymore than Kirby can impact how weak the SEC East has been and is. Now we can take the position that both OSU and OU have a cakewalk to winning their respective conference championships. I would present to you the same is true for UGA getting to the SECCG. The big difference is in that championship game the opponent is just as good or maybe slightly better, so far from being a cakewalk it is a real challenge. It makes for competitive and entertaining college football and sets the winner up for a real opportunity to win it all. To me this game gives the SEC a huge advantage in the CFP.
So if it not fair to compare Kirby to Riley and Day because he does not coach in the Big12 or the Big10, then what is a fair way to compare him to other coaches?
you're exhausting dude