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Nick Saban praises Jermaine Burton, Georgia fans should understand why

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  • DOG4L1FDOG4L1F Posts: 1 ✭ Freshman

    Who is Alabama's back up quarterback? Does he throw as well as B. Young?

  • budknox310budknox310 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I agree that is why. But my question is this, wouldn't that of been a good time to throw more, especially with the back ups? Not likely to change the outcome of the game, maybe just changes the point spread margins of the games. Being up by 37 against Arkansas with the whole 4th qtr left, would of loved to have seen BV throw the ball around with 8 men in the box, instead of running straight up the middle for 15 straight plays. More game reps will never be a bad thing.

    GO DAWGS!!

  • KudzuKudzu Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Wait, what? "Georgia fans should not begrudge Burton in this day and age..." Why not?

    I realize this article was largely another vehicle to rehash the debate about last year's approach to the offense (and the ensuing JT/SBIV decisions) and the desire to influence this year with CKS (good luck with that). However, I don't think any Dawgs fan needs to be told by the hosting site what feelings are or are not legitimate, especially around the undisputed, multi-decade arch rival to our favorite program.

    Frankly, I'm not that exercised about Burton one way or the other, but it is perfectly legitimate (and reasonable, IMHO) for any Dawgs fan to "begrudge" a player (esp. a starter) leaving the team for the historical Darth Vader of an opponent... as would any "normal" fan. Trust me, if a UNC basketball player went to Duke, or an Ohio State football player went to Michigan, etc., etc. their fans WOULD begrudge whomever left for an archrival, much less right after winning a national championship vs. that very same team.

    My two cents :)

  • budknox310budknox310 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Here is a post I tried to make on a Connor story earlier, but wouldn't load. Maybe he is blocking comments.

    This article perfectly summed up the problem with Kirby and qb's. "23 passes last year". With all the blowouts, and that is all the pratice a back up gets? And 20 of them came against FCS teams. Just imagine if Bennett didn't come back, JT was gone regardless, absolutely no big game (SEC) experience on the field at the qb position. With defensive departures, and a new qb, UGA could very much likely loss 2-3 games. Probably wouldn't win the east.

    And people wonder why Ala can loss a real good qb and start someone new the next year, and still be ranked no. 1. Because the backups usually get around 100 throws a year. A lot more game reps. Way more prepared the next year when they start.

    We will see how this plays out.

  • reddawg1reddawg1 Posts: 3,882 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm with you budknox, I said all last year, it would have been great to get the others guys some experience other than just handing the ball off. Kirby either didn't trust the guys to throw it a few times(maybe the pick six) but even when JT got healthier, he wasn't put in. I can only surmise Kirby didn't want a QB controvery, if JT came in and wowed the fans. JT thought and his parent s that he would play against Missouri or Vanderbilt(can't remember) and he didn't even get in. I thinks the stuff might have hit the fan after that, but JT's fate was sealed, barring an injury to SB.

  • UGADad20UGADad20 Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2022

    You make some very valid points. I agree with what you said. But I will spin it a different way. NOT burning a year of player eligibility on a few snaps a game is BETTER for the player. CKS, for whatever the reason, is doing what is best for the player by preserving their eligibility for them to use at UGA or wherever they go. THAT is commendable. With the extra covid year and a redshirt last year(?) Beck STILL has 4 yrs of eligibility left (I believe). With the freshman redshirt year BVG STILL has 4 years of eligibility. Would CKS put UGA behind the eight ball THIS YEAR by "underutilizing" his young QB's in games last year? IDK. UGA will always be a preferred destination for a QB from the transfer portal because of the roster talent. So there is not really a significant risk for CKS. AL can give BYoung game reps as a true freshman because he was a can't miss 5* that will leave AL after 3 years (plus an extra covid year?). AL recruited a high 4* in '21 and are expected to get Manning or Holstein this cycle. Both 5*. They now have a pipeline of QB's and WR's because they are AL AND BECAUSE OF THEIR ADVANCED PASSNG GAME OFFENSE. There's a reason CKS brought in Monken. To try and get UGA , offensively, to where AL (and OK and OSU) has been for 3-4 years.

  • CMacDAWGCMacDAWG Posts: 17 ✭✭ Sophomore

    Gonna miss Robinson more than Burton

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I believe Monkin has done that. Nobody said UGA had to do it exactly like BAMA to be successful. Frankly, I think if you put all your eggs in the passing game basket, it leaves you vulnerable when 1 or 2 players go down much like what happened to BAMA last year. Especially if it's the QB that goes down. If you maintain a balanced offensive approach...with the talent UGA has across the board, there is no need to sweat losing a few skill players during the season.

    When UGA had Mathew Stafford and AJ Green, Championship hopes went down the drain with the loss of Green. Mark Richt had the type of offense most people are clamoring for now. And that's understandable. But, his most successful offenses were QB'd by David Green and Aaron Murray, neither of which were exactly gun-slingers. If Richt hadn't wasted a few years on his buddy, Willie Martinez...they might have won a Championship or two. After VanGorder, CMR never got his defense right. 2012 was good, but IMO, could've been much better.

    Smart is not an anomaly. He built BAMA's greatest defenses, not Saban. He learned the Dollar defense from one of it's architects (Saban), but his defensive and recruiting instincts are next level. Saban misses that. Yeah, he had good defenses over the last couple of years, mostly due to talent level, but not Smart level defenses.

    Plain and simple...I believe Smart is better at developing defensive talent than Saban. Monkin is an offensive mastermind that knows how to utilize the talent and experience on-hand. I'd say UGA's sittin' pretty and won't miss a beat next year.

    As long as Smart is there, the Dawgs will eat on the fefensive side of the ball. And, THAT wins Championships.

  • E_RocE_Roc Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited April 2022

    With the ridiculous amount of injuries that Georgia was already having to deal with as it was, last year, I'm surprised that there are still those who would argue in favor of dragging out every game as much as possible after it's already been decided because, you know, what could possibly go wrong?

    Also, Bama's backups don't typically get all that much PT, and when they do it's usually because of injury. Can anyone even name Young's backup?

  • Ddavis0777Ddavis0777 Posts: 412 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Agree 100%, ef all the holier than thou/politically correct/ESPN talking points BS. What Burton did is tacky. There’s 3-4 other schools (OSU, OU, USC, Etc.) he could have transferred to if the logic behind his decision is “the offense needs to center more around me” (which is how I’ve interpreted it).

  • Ddavis0777Ddavis0777 Posts: 412 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Lots of artistic liberty taken in calling the 2020 covid season game against South Carolina a “breakout game”, Mike.

    A depleated 6-2 team vs. a perennial top 5 team that had already suffered two embarrassing losses.

    This would have been a breakout game had it come against a top 10 team. Burton got lucky enough to have a favorable matchup, yes. But this was only a breakout for the veiled purpose of once again passive aggressively undermining CKS offensive philosophy. It’s annoying at this point.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    LOL...I forgot about reading that. There were so many issues I thought jumped out.

    When I read about "the breakout game", I just kinda laughed. What did he do, break out...then break back in. LOL A breakout game implies sustained success after "the breakout". That never materialized.

    As I've pointed out, Burton only caught 2 passes for 11 yds against, what we know now to be, a less than stellar Clemson defense....with the vaunted JT Daniels slinging the ball. Rivisionist history....but, we remember.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The following is a list of receivers that had more yards and/or catches than Burton vs Clemson with the "gunslinger" JT Daniels throwing the ball.

    BOWERS------------6/43 yds

    JOHNSON---------1/21 yds

    WHITE---------------1/13 yds

    ROSEMY-JST-----2/12 yds

    MCKONKEY-------2/12 yds

    COOK-----------------4/7 yds

    BURTON-------------2/11yds

    Burton was killin' it wasn't he? LOL

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