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SEC all-time passing leader: Offenses win titles, USC could pass Georgia

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  • osmosiphobeosmosiphobe Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Ugh. There's not really much more to say. Sure, offense wins championships... when they are better than other teams' defenses, and is backed up by a defense that is better than opposing offenses... Sure, Williams was good last year... in the PAC. Who had one of the highest quality defenses in that league last year? Utah, by whom USC was just bullied.

    Man, I can't wait til next season starts and we can get back to talking about actual games and progress.

  • GtheGreekGtheGreek Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I'm sorry, AM & USC would have a Merry Christmas in 23 but for all the "IF'S & BUTT'S"....to compare Williams to Mahomes...is a stretch, any QB that does his nails in obscene messages for his opponent doesn't have the maturity to be a leader....then combine that with a team made up of TP me first players....USC will not make the play offs. GOOOOO DUCKS!

  • ColumbusDawgColumbusDawg Posts: 547 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    What about 2019 LSU? They didn't need a defense and no defense on Earth was going to stop them.

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  • ColumbusDawgColumbusDawg Posts: 547 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I hate to admit it but he has a correct point. If all HAD went perfect for Bama and OSU, no injured receivers, etc UGA may very well have lost those games. They both lost their best offensive weapons in those games that were having great games.

    But on the other hand that is football and UGA had players out too and so the "if's". But again hate to admit it, but the offenses also win championships today and you better have one, along with a good defense to win today. Just reality, like it or not.

    2019 LSU was an eye-opener. I would have bet the house on that offense and asked the wife "How much money we have on hand because I want to bet it all on LSU to cover over Clemson" She thought I meant a couple hundred bucks. No, I meant every thing we could get our hands on! Because I have been watching college ball for decades and knew a sure thing when I seen it. And that was the first and ONLY sure thing. Defenses didn't matter. You were not going to stop LSU with all of their weapons and Burrow getting them the ball. 5.5 points was an easy cover in my mind.

    But UGA will have one of the highest scoring offenses again, even with taking the foot off the gas pedal in the 2nd half of most games, again. Bobo has got this all day with our OL, WR's, TE's and QB's. As long as Carson or Brock do not throw INT's, UGA has a top 5 - 10 offense, at minimum, and a MUCH better defense than USC will have, even with that traitor Alexander.

    Bottomline, USC COULD POSSIBLY overtake UGA, but it is not likely. And certainly, no one would bet the house on it.

  • PopeyethesailorPopeyethesailor Posts: 443 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I think Kirby has learned how to coach. Hope he's past fake punts on your own side of the field with a qb in the formation.

  • PetesdawgsPetesdawgs Posts: 419 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    Dawg-Nation-STOP hiding these keyboard cowards who down vote- Show their names.

  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2023

    Murray didn't have the benefit of a Kirby Smart or Nick Saban defense, when he played for the Dawgs. So, it's understandable, that he doesn't know..."Great Defense & Depth" win Championships.

    High flying offenses like USC, Oklahoma (under Lincoln Riley), OSU, Tennessee & Alabama (of late)...look great on paper, provide a lot of entertainment, Stats...and, so on. Occasionally, they even compete for Championships. That's all fine and good...BUT....

    If you want consistency...you develop a ground game and a defense...first. Then you strategically fold in your explosive passing game, which becomes far more effective, due to your "defense & ground attack" keeping the other side off balance and guessing.

    It's an effective and reliable strategy for long term success...used by Belichick, Saban...and now, Smart. No one-and-dones for those guys. Can you say that for Riley, Day, Heupel, Fisher, Kiffin...or, Mark Richt...all "Offensive Minded Coaches". And all, still chasing the "Roadrunner". Lol

    Aaron Murray would have no way of knowing that. He never saw a good defense...much less a "Great Defense". Well...maybe in 2012, they were "good"...but, not great.

    Mike Bobo, also, never had the benefit of a great defense, with the ability to shut the other team's scoring down. He had the likes of "Willie 'Rubberband-Man' Martinez" & "Todd 'E=MC²' Grantham" for support. With Martinez...the defenders had nothing to learn. With Grantham...way too much to learn. Neither, produced a defense worthy of the talent they were afforded. IMO

  • GBALGBAL Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    if if’s and buts were candy and nuts….

    common AM…. I thought you were smarter than that.

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  • BigDawg61BigDawg61 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited July 2023

    Aaron highlights a longstanding question...

    As Head Coach......Would you rather be a former great DC, looking for a great OC to "create and coach"...on the other side of the LOS...OR...would you rather be a great OC, looking for a great DC to shut down opposing offenses???

    IMO...there are far more Great OC's running around than there are, great DC's. That's why, the Ryan Day's, Lincoln Riley's and Jimbo Fisher's of the world, are one-and-done'rs...or none'rs. Lol They are at the mercy of the defense...and the Defensive Coordinator "on-deck".

    Any Defensive Coordinator worth his salt, is offered a Head Coaching position, in due course. Pruitt, Tucker, Venables(?), Lanning, Muschamp, Strong...and so on. Replacing one of those guys can set a Football Program back to square one...especially if the next "DC Hire" is a "miss"....<see Clemson & Bama>.

    While there's no guarantee, a great DC will turn out to be a great HC...finding a compatible Offensive Coordinator is more easily facilitated due to the larger pool of "Competent" OC's, than DC's.

    DC's are more valuable, IMO. I haven't seen many "Great" ones over the years. But, the ones I have seen, turned out to be awesome Head Coaches. Like my man...Erk Russell. There would be NO Dooley or '80 Natty...or, Ga Southern Football Program...without Erk. That's a fact. 😁😎

  • 1SICemDAWGS11SICemDAWGS1 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I hear the same thing about USC on a yearly basis. But yet they always seem to lose a game they shouldn't lose. Playing in a weak conference even boosts their odds, but still haven't made the CFP. yet. I'll believe it when I see it, talk is cheap.

  • zonadawg61zonadawg61 Posts: 450 ✭✭✭✭ Senior

    I was so hoping UGA would play USC in last years playoff. That game would have been a TCU repeat. They got killed twice by Utah and had 1 score games against Oregon State, Arizona, Cal , UCLA and Notre Dame. They were also beaten and embarrassed by Tulane in the Cotton Bowl. Not exactly an executioner row of teams. Murray's head scratching praise is kinda weird.

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