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Most people are not aware Japanese Generals committed acts of cannibalism during WWII. I won't go into detail, but they ate the flesh of American and British prisoners, because they believed it gave them special strength and powers. Additionally, on Papua New Guinea because of an American naval blockade the Japanese navy wasn't able to resupply Japanese troops, so they were left there to starve. When skirmishes occurred and an American soldier was killed the Japanese would drag the body over to their line and well…
I watched the second episode early this morning. It was very interesting to find out that even with the depression that Hilter and the Nazi party lost multiple elections, and that their attempt at taking control by force failed too. He was able to negotiate his way into power as Chancellor with elected leaders (Von Hindenburg) who thought they could control and use him. It was years and years of repeated propaganda, marketing, and rehearsed/staged speaking, along with the eventual conditioning of the elite's children that slowly won over and brainwashed the German people.
I was also interested to learn that his leadership style of presenting nebulous concepts to his cabinet who were responsible for crafting the power-mongering programs based on those concepts and the means of executing. I always assumed he was the sick mind behind it all, but really there were a bunch of other sick minds feeding the Nazi monster.
Yep. Crazy attracts crazy I guess. None of the defendants showed any remorse at the trial. They were all-in just like Hitler and sincerely thought they were doing the right thing for the Motherland, and the world as a whole. I kind of assumed that Hitler was a raging tyrant and his Generals and inner-circle advisors were simply too afraid to stop any of it. Turns out they were just as devoted to the cause as he was.
I haven't watched it and probably won't. I did a LOT of research on school on the Nazi's rise to power and the things that they did, trying to understand how people that were for the most part, well educated members of an modern civilization could commit such large scale horror. Like I said I did a LOT of research to the point that my sleep was haunted by nightmares for years. It a very deep rabbit hole the more I learned the worst it got and I don't think I more than scratched the surface. And the Japanese were just as bad just not as organized.
The biggest history lesson is that human beings are very easily manipulated by propaganda. That includes every one of us here.
That is a kind of blind faith in a Deity/Ideology/Identity that is hard to defeat because it cannot allow for self-reflection or self-correction, it can only dig in and move ahead harder at even the expense of your own life. That is the hallmark of cults and Hitler was a master cult leader if nothing else.
This is also why I think it is of the utmost importance that we as US citizens never be afraid to live with a hermeneutic of suspicion of our own motives and those of our leaders. Patriotism is not binary as in "Love it or leave it". There is no harm in admitting failure, flaw, error or even sin that would outweigh the actual harm of justifying acting on whatever we believe when evidence suggest those beliefs are false, harmful or both. We see those Japanese soldiers now as inhumanely brutal to their enemies, but they saw the world and humanity in a different way that allowed them to treat other humans the way they did and not be inconsistent in those beliefs. This is why I believe the foundation of objective truth as the rule of law is far superior to the rule of individual honor.
not me
That response is definitely an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, there. 😁
Unfortunately, only history can make the judgement, not you.
CD - Ah, you are referring to the need for self-awareness and I couldn't agree more. To understand the why of our beliefs is so important. Especially, in these days of division.
you’re a dunning-Kruger
still not me
I had to look up Dunning-Kruger …
The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skill in a certain area causes them to overestimate their own competence. By contrast, this effect also drives those who excel in a given area to think the task is simple for everyone, leading them to underestimate their abilities.
So is Kasey over estimating his competency or underestimating it @CigarDawg ?
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The fact that this term, has a double meaning makes is something really fun I plan to use in the future… all kinds of nuggets come from this forum!
So, my lack of skill/knowledge in playing the violin leads me to overestimate my own competence in that area. Doesn't sound like me. I believe I would under-estimate it - my teacher thinks I've made great progress - I tend to focus on how slow the grind is and how inept I feel most of the time. What am I missing here?
Is it like those people on American Idol who are terrible singers and don't make it past the first round but are convinced they are really, really good?
I equate it to my singing in the shower. I'm really amazing.…and then I'm not, lol
My understanding of Dunning Kruger is it fools people who have a sliver of knowledge in a subject that they are experts. Lots of this on YouTube just go look.
When a freshman psychology student begins studying psychology. They will immediately have a feeling they know everything there is to know about the subject. Dunning Kruger is getting stuck here. When that same student continues their studies they will quickly realize they don't know anything and there is so much more to go.
There is literally a sweet spot where very little knowledge is worse than no knowledge at all.
Very good explanation. TikTok and Reels are full of this.
The general principle that was uncovered in the study was that, on the whole, people are not good at assessing themselves objectively, missing by both over- and under-estimating themselves depending on the circumstances. Those who lack real competency do it because they do not understand what competency looks like in a given subject area (metacognition).
I cannot be guilty of this because it is impossible to overstate my level of incompetency in most things. 😂
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You got the joke! 😉