Yup, one more(Fields)

YaleDawg

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

levander

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

TMazz2009

@levander said:

@YK_DAWG24 said:
Does a (god-forbid) injury to Fromm in the sugar bowl and a good performance by Fields change or effects his decision to stay or leave?

What you’re talking about may have been a part of what was behind that 4th and 11 fake punt call. Trying to make a hero out of Justin.

I kind of imagine it!s too late for that now though.

Worst call ever....put in a guy that panics on every drop back in the most critical play of the season. For it to work, Dawgs had to at least show the formation throughout the game while still punting.

But this was done in a last ditch effort to include Fields. Kirby has been massaging this for a while. It had to be like an irritating pimple on his back just out of his reach that he finally had popped.

But at the end of the day, Kirby has surpassed every expectation of mine. I can respect that sort of aggressiveness. Play to win and let the chips fall where they may.

Bankwalker

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

levander

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

Bankwalker

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

No, I am reading what I am responding to. YOU are trying to say what threshold is or isnt necessary. My point in asking was to bait you in to admitting that you are just talking out your ass. Your source is literally just crapola you have read on the internet.

Your opinion on this is about as sound as the one where you suggest Kirby should stop recruiting highly rated players once he has another enrolled on campus. Total nonsense.

levander

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

No, I am reading what I am responding to. YOU are trying to say what threshold is or isnt necessary. My point in asking was to bait you in to admitting that you are just talking out your ass. Your source is literally just crapola you have read on the internet.

Your opinion on this is about as sound as the one where you suggest Kirby should stop recruiting highly rated players once he has another enrolled on campus. Total nonsense.

Boy it’s been awhile since I’ve able to so easily get under someone’s skin. I miss the good ole days.

Good job baiting me into saying something I already said.

Bankwalker

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

No, I am reading what I am responding to. YOU are trying to say what threshold is or isnt necessary. My point in asking was to bait you in to admitting that you are just talking out your ass. Your source is literally just crapola you have read on the internet.

Your opinion on this is about as sound as the one where you suggest Kirby should stop recruiting highly rated players once he has another enrolled on campus. Total nonsense.

Boy it’s been awhile since I’ve able to so easily get under someone’s skin. I miss the good ole days.

Good job baiting me into saying something I already said.

Actually, you have no idea. Ive been resisting the urge to point out your consistently flawed logic and short bus comprehension for several months.

levander

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

No, I am reading what I am responding to. YOU are trying to say what threshold is or isnt necessary. My point in asking was to bait you in to admitting that you are just talking out your ass. Your source is literally just crapola you have read on the internet.

Your opinion on this is about as sound as the one where you suggest Kirby should stop recruiting highly rated players once he has another enrolled on campus. Total nonsense.

Boy it’s been awhile since I’ve able to so easily get under someone’s skin. I miss the good ole days.

Good job baiting me into saying something I already said.

Actually, you have no idea. Ive been resisting the urge to point out your consistently flawed logic and short bus comprehension for several months.

Okay, that’s cool. But I think you’ll find if you want to learn from me, you’ll learn a lot more if you can narrow your post down to the essence of what you disagree with. If you’re not willing to do that work on your own, I’ve found those people don’t learn nearly as much as those who do. Your post I’m now responding to you did a good job with, you narrowed it down to two sentences. That was good.

HunkerDown1MoreTime

@YK_DAWG24 said:
Does a (god-forbid) injury to Fromm in the sugar bowl and a good performance by Fields change or effects his decision to stay or leave?

Hes staying either way

WoodstockDawg

Sooner he is gone better off the team will be. He is very talented, but not proven and the team will benefit next yr. Fromm is proven x 2! Trying to keep the Fields camp happy cost is an SEC title. This way Kirby can work on what's best for the team and not keeping 1 player interested.

TMazz2009

@HunkerDown1MoreTime said:

@YK_DAWG24 said:
Does a (god-forbid) injury to Fromm in the sugar bowl and a good performance by Fields change or effects his decision to stay or leave?

Hes staying either way

Even if you disagree with him....you have to LOVE Hunkerdown.

No way this dude is married. He is waaayyy too stubborn....maybe divorced 3 times....or has millions because no one has married him and took half his stuff.

Reminds me of the role William Shatner played in Boston Legal....awesome

Bankwalker

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@levander said:

@YaleDawg said:

@levander said:
9> @YaleDawg said:

@levander said:

@Bankwalker said:

@scooterdawg said:

@Bankwalker said:
In that case he should absolutely be granted a waiver to be eligible immediately - IN BASEBALL.

He's transferring because he is the backup and everyone in the World knows he is transferring because he is the backup. You can't legitimately argue that you need to transfer because you don't feel welcome on the baseball team because of someone who isn't on the baseball team, especially when you haven't ever been on the baseball team to actually experience what you perceive to be allegedly being alleged in order to gain eligibility in a different sport. It's ridiculous, and abusive.

Either way, UGA football is going to be just fine.

He's also not that great of a baseball prospect. Scouts report says, "hand hitch load, tends to be late getting his hands moving forward, has late bat speed and can impact the ball hard when on time. "

I’m with ya on the baseball stuff. I’ll admit that I wasn’t following recruiting too closely last year. I certainly knew JF was a top football prospect but I initially thought they were talking out of their asses and had to google Justin Fields and baseball. There were a few stories about slight interest from scouts but nothing like the Oklahoma kid.

But in the screwed up logic of the NCAA I can see them giving in on it as the path of least resistance. They don’t want the racial headlines to go any further than Georgia does. Blame it on one guy who’s gone, let Fields play next year, and it pretty much goes away without a lot of fuss.

Sounds like Pablo may have had legal advice earlier than last week.

Yet he stayed 3 full months longer and nothing else has happened. Nobody on the baseball team has done anything. Fields didn’t do anything to cause him to get kicked out of school. He would be alleging that the baseball team is racist even though the other players have not done anything to support the claim. Bogus. Im sure they do expect him to be eligible but the facts do not support his case.

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

No, it shows UGA doesn't tolerate the actions of the individual. A frat kid was punished by the university for brandishing a gun at a party on campus. Does that mean the university is admitting it has a violent environment? No, it shows it won't tolerate violent individuals.

Your Yale educated argument left out how severe the punishment was, and whether or not this “brandishing” was part of a threat against another student.

The simple analogy you’ve given has a hundred different possibilities for answers.t8s just not worth the time to go into.

It doesnt matter though it just highlights this ridiculous notion that punishing an individual is some sort of acknowledgment of endemic racism. By not punishing sasser does it mean UGA isn't racist? I think most people would come to the opposite conclusion if that happened.

You don’t have to prove “endemic” to the NCAA. Nor was that what I was trying to get at. “racially hostile environment” that I used is terminology people have been throwing around as what the NCAA calls it. And just from reading various articles around the Internet, not from personal expertise with NCAA bylaws, you don’t have to prove it’s endemic to prove it’s racially hostile. The NCAA interpretation of that is supposedly pretty broad. Admitting you had a kid so bad you had to kick him off your team seems to me admission you violated a broad interpretation of “racially hostile”.

Is there an actual section in the NCAA bylaws on transferring from a racially hostile environment? You imply that you have read one. If so, do you mind linking that section up? Regardless, one student involved with one incident will never meet that bar. I wouldnt be surprised to learn that many, many student athletes have previously tried to play this card with the NCAA. Think about how often we see the tacic abused in everyday life. This would certainly not be the first time the argument would be presented to the NCAA.
I find the idea that his case is unique to be laughable. The way this works is that once such a one-off incident was successfully used to gain immediate eligibility, word would spread and then bigotry would be the #1 reason kids list for transferring schools.

Bankwalker, you’re not even reading what you’re responding to are you? I specifically say in there I have no personal expertise with NCAA bylaws.

No, I am reading what I am responding to. YOU are trying to say what threshold is or isnt necessary. My point in asking was to bait you in to admitting that you are just talking out your ass. Your source is literally just crapola you have read on the internet.

Your opinion on this is about as sound as the one where you suggest Kirby should stop recruiting highly rated players once he has another enrolled on campus. Total nonsense.

Boy it’s been awhile since I’ve able to so easily get under someone’s skin. I miss the good ole days.

Good job baiting me into saying something I already said.

Actually, you have no idea. Ive been resisting the urge to point out your consistently flawed logic and short bus comprehension for several months.

Okay, that’s cool. But I think you’ll find if you want to learn from me, you’ll learn a lot more if you can narrow your post down to the essence of what you disagree with.

LEARN FROM YOU? SMH. Comical Delusional. Pure hubris.

DawginSC

@levander said:

The supposed racist would still be Sasser. And this racist was allowed to play on the baseball team for 3 years. But now he’s been kicked off said team because of an incident with Justin. So because of the racially hostile environment UGA allowed to fester, Justin is not comfortable going to play baseball with this racist’s former friends. You don’t have to accuse the other baseball players of being racist. Just accuse them of being friends with Sasser.

That’s one way you could work the argument. There are others.

The act that the university kicked Sasser off the team establishes what Sasser did as so reprehensible, the school couldn’t tolerate his participation any more. So a lawyer wouldn’t have to bother with establishing there is a racially hostile environment. The school has said that about themselves with their actions. The lawyer just has to show how that affects Justin.

While I'm not familiar with how this would be judged by the NCAA, I am familiar with how it is handled in sexual and racial harassment cases in workplaces. What you describe is NOT how courts view "hostile environments". A workplace that comes down hard on everyone who takes actions that could be viewed as making a hostile environment is not confirming that the environment exists like you're suggesting. In fact it's evidence that the environment does not exist due to the actions taken by the workplace.

If you have a no tolerance policy for racial bigotry and can provide evidence that every person you've caught has been punished/fired if they break that policy that proves that you do NOT have a hostile environment. I fail to see how in a college that would be viewed the opposite legally.

donm

@WoodstockDawg said:
Sooner he is gone better off the team will be. He is very talented, but not proven and the team will benefit next yr. Fromm is proven x 2! Trying to keep the Fields camp happy cost is an SEC title. This way Kirby can work on what's best for the team and not keeping 1 player interested.

How did it cost us the SEC title? Just curious as to your thought process on this.