Are tutors pressured in to completing coursework for athletes?

RoyGaff

Not just Missouri, but nationwide.

Bankwalker

Auburn has developed breeze majors just for the football players. Zero chance Mizz is an isolated incident.

levander

Tutors are often pressured to make sure their students pass. Whether their students are athletes or not. It’s a lot of times the whole point of hiring a tutor.

What I’ve read about the Mizzou lady, she didn’t make it clear what the difference was between the usual pressure and the pressure she received. There are just sentences in the articles about how she claims she was “groomed” to do what she did.

One thing a lot of people have seen is you watch that show Last Chance U, and the academic advisors aren’t tutors. But there are a few scenes in there where the academic advisors they’ve had are stressing out about student athletes passing.

BEACHDAWG

Anybody interview Jan Kemp about this?

Mentok

I’ve had a couple of tutors as baby sitters for my kids. They were both grad students and I never got the sense there was any pressure on them to complete work for the athletes here in Athens. They put a lot of pressure on the athletes to get the work done, not the other way around.Anyway, I know it’s anecdotal but that’s my experience.

Doing something like the lady at Mizzou harms a ton of people more than it helps a few.

RedBlackDawg

I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

donm

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

It was also once said that slaves had it good...they were given a place to live and food to eat...just sayin'

WCDawg

Jan Kemp.

WCDawg

@BEACHDAWG

HDAWG said:

Anybody interview Jan Kemp about this?

Beat me to it.

Kemp was the best friend today's UGA athletes ever had, Vince Dooley was their enemy, and most will never understand that truth.

WCDawg

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

I don't know when your day was, but our 1980 national title was won with 9 players who should have been ineligible because of failing grades.
This was at the heart of the Jan Kemp affair and today Vince Dooley would be fired with cause over something similar to what he at least allowed, and likely was the chief facilitator.

WCDawg

@Bankwalker said:
Auburn has developed breeze majors just for the football players. Zero chance Mizz is an isolated incident.

''Sports' management '', it was our go to course to keep players eligible for many years.

RedBlackDawg

@donm said:

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

It was also once said that slaves had it good...they were given a place to live and food to eat...just sayin'

Right.....conflating modern student athletes with African American slaves. Yeah that’s a valid argument (snark). These poor student-athletes: all you can eat food and snacks, free room and board, stipend in the thousands of dollars, free health insurance, free tutors (who apparently, can take tests for you as well), oh and not to mention a free education, if the athlete wants to take on that endeavor seriously. All that suffering!!!

WCDawg

@RedBlackDawg said:

@donm said:

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

It was also once said that slaves had it good...they were given a place to live and food to eat...just sayin'

Right.....conflating modern student athletes with African American slaves. Yeah that’s a valid argument (snark). These poor student-athletes: all you can eat food and snacks, free room and board, stipend in the thousands of dollars, free health insurance, free tutors (who apparently, can take tests for you as well), oh and not to mention a free education, if the athlete wants to take on that endeavor seriously. All that suffering!!!

House slaves had it good....right ?
I agree it's a conflation, but I also think athletes have been exploited, and to some extent they still are. The system hides behind the university/educational shield to get by with something that would never be allowed otherwise.
The only reason stipends were hurried through was to tamp down a growing movement that might have led to the issues being settled in courts of law.

RedBlackDawg

@WCDawg said:

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

I don't know when your day was, but our 1980 national title was won with 9 players who should have been ineligible because of failing grades.
This was at the heart of the Jan Kemp affair and today Vince Dooley would be fired with cause over something similar to what he at least allowed, and likely was the chief facilitator.

When I mean “my day” (early 80’s), the average “student” would be expelled for these types of shenanigans. Not these student athletes back in the day or presently. You missed my point, there were apparently 2 parties in this subterfuge, the student and the tutor. Only the tutor gets punished? These poor “slaves”....

WCDawg

@RedBlackDawg said:

@WCDawg said:

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

I don't know when your day was, but our 1980 national title was won with 9 players who should have been ineligible because of failing grades.
This was at the heart of the Jan Kemp affair and today Vince Dooley would be fired with cause over something similar to what he at least allowed, and likely was the chief facilitator.

When I mean “my day” (early 80’s), the average “student” would be expelled for these types of shenanigans. Not these student athletes back in the day or presently. You missed my point, there were apparently 2 parties in this subterfuge, the student and the tutor. Only the tutor gets punished? These poor “slaves”....

No, there were 3 parties, the program was behind the cheating, Vince Dooley never had to answer for his role in allowing players to go through UGA and come out illiterate.

RedBlackDawg

@WCDawg said:

@RedBlackDawg said:

@donm said:

@RedBlackDawg said:
I’ve not researched the details of the whole Mizzou affair. But back in my day, if something like this happened, both the tutor AND the student would have probably been expelled from said college, at the very least, the student would have immediately been flunked out of the class. Aren’t there 2 guilty parties here, the tutor AND the student? Did the student not know that the tutor took their tests for them? Is this not more evidence that student athletes are sometimes treated like royalty? These same student athletes that some call “slaves” to the athletic department and university?

It was also once said that slaves had it good...they were given a place to live and food to eat...just sayin'

Right.....conflating modern student athletes with African American slaves. Yeah that’s a valid argument (snark). These poor student-athletes: all you can eat food and snacks, free room and board, stipend in the thousands of dollars, free health insurance, free tutors (who apparently, can take tests for you as well), oh and not to mention a free education, if the athlete wants to take on that endeavor seriously. All that suffering!!!

House slaves had it good....right ?
I agree it's a conflation, but I also think athletes have been exploited, and to some extent they still are. The system hides behind the university/educational shield to get by with something that would never be allowed otherwise.
The only reason stipends were hurried through was to tamp down a growing movement that might have caused the issue to be settled in courts of law.

I agree with you to a point. As I posted before, if the “athletes are slaves” crowd is so outraged, eliminate the whole “student-athlete” facade and create a semi-pro league sponsored by the universities. “The Bulldogs affiliated with UGA”
Pay them whatever salary the market will bear, and if they want to go to the school that they’re affiliated with, first they must qualify like everyone else, then they must do it on their own dime and time. But I don’t buy into this notion that the present system (with all the benefits they get) is exploitative....that’s nonsense