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NBA formally proposes changing draft eligibility from 19 to 18 years of age

BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

Fortunately, Anthony Edwards doesn't turn 18 until August of 2019. Too late to get in to this year's class, but it does mean he could be one and done. Seems to be some confusion on the current rule - is it one year removed from High School, or age 19 as ESPN is reporting? If the rules doesn't pass, the way this reads is that Edwards would not be eligible until after two seasons at UGA.

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  • brentwilsonbrentwilson Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Edwards is one and done regardless.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 21

    What is the actual rule? Edwards turn 18 in August.

  • KaseyKasey Posts: 7,875 mod

    Honestly, this is the way it should be. Some of these kids don't need the sham of one year of college. If anything they should incentivize kids to stay in college by making their rookie contract larger based on their length of time spent in college

  • DuckDawg25DuckDawg25 Posts: 280 ✭✭✭ Junior
  • GeorgiaGirlGeorgiaGirl Posts: 403 ✭✭✭✭ Senior
    edited February 22

    I'm pretty sure the age 19 rule goes away with one year in college.

    Think that was how Hamidou Diallo was technically draft eligible. He might have been 19, so he could explore going which he did before 17/18.

    The rule right now seems to be either age 19 or have one year of college.

    Edit: Nevermind, figured out the rule. Right now it's be one year removed from high school graduation in most cases.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 13,784 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 22

    The one and done thing is ridiculous. Either go with the CFB model of 3 years between high school and draft eligibility or go back to allowing players eligibility right out of high school. I think once a player commits to college he should be bound for at least 2 years though.

    We'll see The AAU and snake oil salesmen like the one at Kentucky lose a lot of power and a far better brand of college basketball.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 22

    The current rule is that to be eligible for the NBA Draft a player must be 19 years old DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR OF THE DRAFT. It also says that those who qualify at a US HS have to be 1 year removed from the graduation of his HS class.

    Edwards will therefore be eligible for the 2020 draft even though he will only be 18 at the time of the draft as he will attain 19 during 2020.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 13,784 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Denman, I can think of 2 players who were drafted at 18 years of age in 2018. Jaren Jackson and Luka Doncic.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate
    edited February 22

    WCDawg - Jackson was born in 1999 (9/15/99) so was 18 at the time of the draft but become 19 during that calendar year (2018), see above. Doncic was born 2/28/99 so was 19 when drafted in June 2018.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    So if this rule passes this Spring then it is possible Edwards could turn pro if it takes effect immediately.

  • WCDawgWCDawg Posts: 13,784 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I stand corrected on Doncic, but as is often the case on this board, you seem to have assumed I was debating your point, which wasn't the case.

  • BankwalkerBankwalker Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I see no such assumption. He simply stated the facts, but it would have been awesome if he’d asked for a link instead.

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I was not assuming anything; merely responding to your post.

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 3,708 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    I feel that the minimum age should be 20 or 21, with or without college. Most guys aren't mature until they are 24-25. (I'm not talking about working full-time. Maturity is another thing.) The pros, especially basketball, involves a lot of traveling. Easy to lose one's bearings.

    And college is a good thing. Should not be viewed as a burden. Pro BB is going in the wrong direction. A pro career is about building assets for the long haul, not just about how much $$ one earns. Maturity increases the odds of that.

  • razzierazzie Posts: 32 ✭ Freshman
    edited February 22

    The problem with this stance is that American football and basketball are the only sports in the world where there is any expectation of going to college to begin with. With every other sport except football and basketball - including in America - and in every other country in the world - including basketball as well as soccer, cricket and/or rugby which are the equivalent to football in other countries - no one goes to college except those who aren't considered to be good enough to compete on the professional or Olympic level as teenagers.

    So maturity isn't considered for the MLB and NHL athletes who enter the minor leagues immediately after high school in the U.S. or the basketball athletes who enter their equivalent of the NBA immediately after high school in the foreign countries, as to the top soccer and cricket athletes. And those are team sports who generally won't sign athletes until they are 16.

    Also female athletes in individual sports have gone pro as young as 12, and the same is true of Olympic athletes who while technically amateur can still make many millions in endorsements.

    Finally, not sports related but you can enter the military as young as 17 also. Maybe you don't become a millionaire, but you do get all of the life-or-death responsibility that the military entails. So truthfully, especially with respect to the direct comparison between football and basketball on one hand and baseball on the other, it is mostly a matter of tradition as well as the entertainment value that these college sports provide and the other benefits that they provide to the schools. Absent that, there is no argument against Zion Williamson going pro that shouldn't have also applied to Michelle Wie, who received $10 million in endorsements upon becoming a pro golfer at 15.

  • Casanova_FlatulenceCasanova_Flatulence Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    Great, just what college basketball needs! Ugh!!!

  • Denmen185Denmen185 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    The only thing that I object to is the implication that people in other countries only go to college if they are not good enough to play professional sports. In the UK very few go to university and zero get a sports scholarship to go to a major university. The students are subject to much higher academic standards than in the US and sports are treated at those establishments as a pastime for recreational purposes only. Students are not held to a different standard because of their sporting ability.

  • FirePlugDawgFirePlugDawg Posts: 3,708 ✭✭✭✭✭ Graduate

    A good response but I can quibble or better over most. For example, a 12 yo female (or male) pro athlete will have a parent or guardian with her. Olympic athletes are not going away 2-4 days each week for months on end. And FB and BB salaries are in another category than futball or cricket.

    The other aspect is that unlike yesteryear, to succeed, you need education. It will only be more significant. Cannot count on getting a job at the local foundry or production line. If someone is drafted, there is no assurance they make a career of it. If they don't, then what then?

    Question: Why is this important to pro BB ? If they wait to get a player in 2 years, they'll still get the guy, right?

  • razzierazzie Posts: 32 ✭ Freshman

    Hmmm ... you might want to read about the experiences of teen and preteen pro and Olympic athletes and reconsider your response. I agree about the importance of education - and vocational training - but again there is NHL and especially MLB.

    As far as this being important to pro BB you got it backwards. The NBA would LOVE to restrict their ranks to guys who have played 4 years of college ball. Starring at the college ranks makes it that much easier to promote them when they enter the NBA. Michael Jordan wouldn't have become the global phenomenon that he was without first winning a national title at North Carolina, and David Stern is still crying in his, er, wine coolers over Grant Hill never living up to the hype after coming into the NBA from Duke or Danny Manning not doing it either after leading Kansas to a title. It is one of the reasons why the NBA no longer competes head to head with the NFL like it did in the 1990s and is now more akin to the NHL where it is only popular among some demographics and areas of the country.

    But the issue is the NBAPA, the union. Where the NFLPA has colluded, er, partnered with the NFL owners to limit entry into their league to people 3 years removed from their high school class graduation, the NBAPA has really never had this position. If the owners were to ever try to impose it, the NBAPA would have taken them to the National Labor Relations Board and won easily. Before you blast the NBAPA and unions in general, remember that the NBAPA's position is the same as the NHLPA and MLBPA has always had. Were the NHL or MLB to try to impose a 3 year rule they would go nuts, and remember those sports have the minor leagues that the NBA and the NFL doesn't.

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